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H23A VTEC SWAP HELP!!

Hello family, all week I have searched and gotten nowhere but anyways next weekend I will be buying a 1995 prelude with a h23a VTEC Bluetop swap! The guy says it runs ****ty and needs a computer and tune this being said what's going on here why did this guy tell me it's obd1 I thought they were obd2 motors he says he does run and I can see that but it's ****ty comes also with lsd trans! Both have only 40k miles on the he had them imported which either way I still am buying it to resale if it's a problem he also told me he has been running his own factory h23a1 Ecu on it I was told the first thing I need to do is buy a p13 ECU for it but my questions are 1 - what will I need to do to have no issues running this h23a 2- I heard I can reuse the stock harness but what else.
3- what all do I need to change do or rewire to get this to work
4- what will I need to do about the egr? Fitv??iacv?? Any obd2 stuff??
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Re: H23A VTEC SWAP HELP!!

First of all: use dots and enter - your writing is horrible to read.

Secondly: Its OBD2 engine and from automatic Accord so if you want to run it with manual transmission theres no ecu for it so it needs obd1 ecu swap and tune

If he has been driving it with non vtec ecu theres possibility that hes ruined it already

So if the engine IS NOT ruined you need chipped P28/P72 ecu OR ecu with hondata etc + obd2 to obd1 conversion harness AND tune (not sure about JDM-USDM distributor and oilpump etc)
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Re: H23A VTEC SWAP HELP!!

So if the engine IS NOT ruined you need chipped P28/P72 ecu OR ecu with hondata etc + obd2 to obd1 conversion harness AND tune (not sure about JDM-USDM distributor and oilpump etc)[/QUOTE]



not saying your wrong but your the first to even say those ecus i have read EVERYWHERE and keep bieng told to use p13
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Re: H23A VTEC SWAP HELP!!

You can use an obd 1 ecu meanr for a 4th gen vtec. Cheapest solution without having to change the distributor, oil pump, crank sensor and using conversion harnesses.

Until you have the car, we can only guess what has been done to the car.

He is likely selling it because he can't figure out how to get it right.
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You can use an obd 1 ecu meanr for a 4th gen vtec. Cheapest solution without having to change the distributor, oil pump, crank sensor and using conversion harnesses.

Until you have the car, we can only guess what has been done to the car.

He is likely selling it because he can't figure out how to get it right.

so thats the p13 correct or no?
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Re: H23A VTEC SWAP HELP!!

you cannot find suitable stock ecu for that engine with manual transmission - there is none

and it doesnt matter which base ecu it is if its chipped - its the chip (or the fuelmap in it) which determines then what the ecu is (as long as its VTEC ecu.... except IABS doesnt work with P28)

chipped ecu isnt engine management, you still need a map for it - with chip you can use maps but you cannot tune your engine with it - for this you need to contact some tuner and discuss how they can make it happen - do they have chip burn/tuning programs there or do you need to get Hondata for that
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you cannot find suitable stock ecu for that engine with manual transmission - there is none

and it doesnt matter which base ecu it is if its chipped (except IABS doesnt work with P28)

chipped ecu isnt engine management, you still need a map for it - with chip you can use maps but you cannot tune your engine with it - for this you need to contact some tuner and discuss how they can make it happen - do they have chip burn/tuning programs there or do you need to get Hondata for that
we have plenty or places that program and setup Ecu basemaps and what not where im from i just need to know what is a ECU that i Should get for this motor to Properly be in the right direction its in a 1995 Prelude and im staying obd1 with it of course and people keep telling me to get p13
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Re: H23A VTEC SWAP HELP!!

get OBD1 VTEC ecu - doesnt really matter which (exept that IAB thing)
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get OBD1 VTEC ecu -doesnt really matter which (exept that IAB thing)


ok well ima go with the P13 ECU what am i suppose to do with it once i get it go get it chipped? tuned? what basemap?
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Re: H23A VTEC SWAP HELP!!

P28 vs P13 ecu

the most easiest way is just to buy P28/P72 from xenocron/ha motorsports etc

next step is contact your tuner and ask him about tuning

you need custom basemap for that thing to be made in dyno... unless you find somewhere already made 100% working map for H23A VTEC - then its just burn the chip and go
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contact your tuner and ask him

you need custom basemap for that thing to be made in dyno... unless you find somewhere already made 100% working map for H23A VTEC - then its just burn the chip and go

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do compression and leak tests before you buy anything to see if the guy has damaged the engine
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you cannot find suitable stock ecu for that engine with manual transmission - there is none

and it doesnt matter which base ecu it is if its chipped - its the chip (or the fuelmap in it) which determines then what the ecu is (as long as its VTEC ecu.... except IABS doesnt work with P28)

chipped ecu isnt engine management, you still need a map for it - with chip you can use maps but you cannot tune your engine with it - for this you need to contact some tuner and discuss how they can make it happen - do they have chip burn/tuning programs there or do you need to get Hondata for that
Just because the motor is out of an auto accord, doesn't meant there isn't a suitable ecu, blanket statements like this help no one. This motor isn't terribly different from an h22. Different stroke, lower redline.
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Just because the motor is out of an auto accord, doesn't meant there isn't a suitable ecu, blanket statements like this help no one. This motor isn't terribly different from an h22. Different stroke, lower redline.
IMO not wise to drive with incorrect fuel maps/ecus

Depends where you compare it - it has higher compression than USDM 92-96 Preludes and "better" cams.. dont know how it would work with USDM 99-01 Prelude or JDM 92-01 Prelude ecus (its closer those engines yes)

anyway longer the engine lasts if theres proper maps for it
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IMO not wise to drive with incorrect fuel maps/ecus

Depends where you compare it - it has higher compression than USDM 92-96 Preludes and "better" cams.. dont know how it would work with USDM 99-01 Prelude or JDM 92-01 Prelude ecus (its closer those engines yes)

anyway longer the engine lasts if theres proper maps for it
I've been using my stock 2001 ECU with mine, going on 20k miles with no issues
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