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Hello LudeZoners! ;)

It's been a while since I was here, hope everyone is doing just fine! :)

Now.. As I sold my Prelude a while ago, I got myself a '91 Honda Accord
with a JDM H22a with LSD. It ran just fine untill recent.

Here's the story:

The engine started to give a few "nudges" and halts when I had it on high
RPM, especially on the highway when I was in fifth gear and really pushed
the car (sssh! tell no-one! :O) Also, the idle had a lot of issues.. It would
go around 600-800rpm when the car was warm, and abit more when the
car was cold, and go up 'n down, up 'n down on the idle..

So naturally, I started by taking the spark-plug caps off.
-Damn straight bro, there was oil *all over* two of those plug-caps..
I went and ordered a full kit to replace the gaskets on the valve cover and
the spark-plugs. So when I got it, me and a friend cleaned up the oil mess
around the valve-cover, changed spark-plugs, replaced the gaskets and
put everything back together. I went and cranked the car, and she started
up right away and idled just fine. I gave it a few punches on the gas-pedal,
still going just fine. So I stopped the engine, cleaned up and put all the
tools back in place and went inside the house for a few hours.

Later that day, I was gonna go for a ride. I started the engine, and it
started right away. Only this time, it sounded like it only ignited on 3 of
the cylinders.. The engine's idle was extremely whacky, and it was like
that for a few seconds before it just died on me. No chance in hell to get
it to start again...

After troubleshooting (and lots of Googling) we found out that the distributor
was not giving any sparks to the plugs. I ordered a new one, and HERE is
where I am right now:

We marked the 3 screws on the distributor to make the replacement as easy
as possible. I took off the old one, and I realized there was alot of oil around
the... theeee.... *looking for the English word for it*

Well, I don't know the English word for it, so I'll just post a picture with a red
ring around where I mean :b



Now like I stated on the picture; That "rotor" thingy there was soaked
with oil, and there's also alot of oil inside the hole where it's suppose to go.

So I'm only asking if it's suppose to be like that? I mean.. I know it's on the
valve/head of the cylinders, and obviously there's oil going on in there, but
I just thought that electricity + oil normally wouldn't be a good idea? :b

We installed it, but the car still won't start. However, there's spark on the
plugs now, so I might have missed the installation abit (gonna loosen the
screws and rotate it abit tomorrow, maybe get my hands on a timing light)

So the MAIN questions here is:

- Is it normal to be oil in there? It's *NOT* inside the distributor itself, just where I marked on the image

- Even if I missed the timing when I installed it; would the car still fire up with horrible idling?
Or may that be the reason that the car won't fire up at all?

Because if I crank the engine and put the pedal to the floor, I can hear
it go *fooff!" every now 'n then. So there's something happening now atleast :P

Thanks for reading, hope you can help me out here! :)
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Re: JDM H22a - Distributor change

You need a new o-ring.
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Re: JDM H22a - Distributor change

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You need a new o-ring.
So.. Basically, that's why aliens won't talk to us and why my car won't
start even after changing the distributor?

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Re: JDM H22a - Distributor change

You only need to replace the dizzy o-ring if there is oil making it's way inside the distributor housing which it sounds like it's not.

It is certainly possible for there to be oil on the coupling (that's the English term). There aren't any seals or bearings at that end of the exhaust camshaft so it needs lots of oil to stop from grinding. I'd be worried if there was oil coming out around the distributor though.

There is one major difference between OEM distributors and most aftermarket ones in that the OEM one is keyed so the shaft can only go in one way, many aftermarket ones are not and can be put in 180 out making your car not start at all. In any case you will need to check the timing, just lining up the new distributor the same as the old one is not good enough. If it is waaaaaaayyyyyy out then that could be causing the problem but wouldn't explain why it worked then didn't. Did the dizzy slip or anything after you shut it off the first time.

Finally, is the ECU throwing any CEL's? The distributor has many many many sensors in it and will tell you if the timing is off, there is a misfire, etc. etc. If there was a misfire on the old dizzy and you haven't yet cleared the ECU (by pulling the clock fuse and/or battery for a bit) then it might still be upset from that.
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Re: JDM H22a - Distributor change

You guys may have accidently put the distributor back on backwards. That means pull it off and rotate the thingy 180 and put it back on.
It happens very very easily to most of us sooner or later.

Remove the spark plugs and dry off all of the fuel left on them from trying to start the car. Check that all of your wires are attached completely at both ends.


Know what? I Just noticed you said it started then died. Try rotating the rotor thingy first. But I'm thinking you may have a whole issue outside of the distributor, which would be why it was as you say running on 3 cylinders then died.
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I remember my first thread, asking what a noise was when I got going 110mph.
Pretty much got flamed for driving like a jackass and was told to slow down. And I'll be damned, slowing down fixed it.

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Re: JDM H22a - Distributor change

Thank you so much for good suggestions and replys!

But you guys seem to miss the fact that I got a brand new distributor
OEM Honda Distributor from the very same engine; JDM H22a

The old one died, so I got a new one. Besides, it doesn't go on 180
It only goes on one way.

The 3 holes goes like this:


But if you ask me, I suspect the timing is completely off..

And you're right @tassievteclude; There's no oil *inside* the distributor/cap, it's
only in the connector of the outer "lug" which goes into the engine. So yeah..

* getting frustrated *
I want my baby to start again.. :'(
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Re: JDM H22a - Distributor change

Don't rotate the distributor itself. Rotate the round piece on the end of the distributor that goes into the head. There are little grooves on that. It will go in both ways, but will only start one way. Just turn the center of the distributor 180. This should at least help to see if it's a distributor problem or not.
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Re: JDM H22a - Distributor change

That rotor should have oil on it you only replace it if oil is comming from where the distributor meets the head. And you cannot install it with the rotor turned 180 the wrong way because it will not sit flush. Put an old spark plug in each plug wire and touch the threads to a ground and have someone crank the car if you see the spark plug light up then spark is not your issue.
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Re: JDM H22a - Distributor change

it will go in but won't sit flush. If your distributor moves around all funky when trying to start it, then it is in the wrong way but it WILL go in either way. I just did mine and it went in both ways. would Only start the correct way though.
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Re: JDM H22a - Distributor change

Thank you so much for all your answers! :)

Well, as everyone else, I too learned something new today.
The "180 rotation" you guys were talking about was not the actual DISTRIBUTOR itself,
but the "connector-lug" that goes into the engine.

Can't wait to try it tomorrow. I'ma start early, and I won't give up untill she's firing
up again. I miss driving my Accord with that 2.2VTEC so much! :3

If I manage to fire 'er up, I'ma video-record it and publish it here to honor your
awesome replies :3
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Re: JDM H22a - Distributor change

UPDATE:

SHE'S ALIIIIIVE! ;D <3

I took the distributor off once again, and this time I really checked that the markers
on the lug/connector were lined up, and also lined up with the hole on the engine.
This time, it went 100% flush straight in. Didn't require much force to get it in.

I put in the 3 screws, tightened them one by one and connected the plugs.
The engine cranked 4-5 times, and *boom!* - She's alive c^^,)

I nailed it 100% too, because it idles just fine and ran pretty good too :)

Thank you SO MUCH for your replies and helping me out :)
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YESSSSSSS
Took 'er for a spin.
Cleaned 'er up abit.
Kick'd VTEC in on 'er.







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