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Prelude Will not go into reverse

Hey guys, This is my first post on here. So I own a 95 prelude with the h22, manual trans. Recently I was not able to shift into reverse. No matter what I try. whether I'm rolling a little giving a little gas letting out the clutch, car on or off, or trying to go from 1st, to reverse, 3rd to reverse. It just will not go into reverse no matter what I try. It will make that first click back but it won't go into the gear fully. Ive been told it could be the clutch itself, gear linkage, synchros and a handful of other stuff. So I'm guessing its just going to be a matter of process of elimination. has anyone had this problem? I don't really know where to start so I'm just looking for your guys advice. I've never done much work on cars before so I don't know to much but i really want to start learning so this could be that first step.

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Re: Prelude Will not go into reverse

turn the car off put it in reverse, start the car with clutch down, and try and back up like that, see wat it does and get back to us
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turn the car off put it in reverse, start the car with clutch down, and try and back up like that, see wat it does and get back to us
It will not go into reverse. No matter what I can not put the car in reverse. Even if the car is off it will not go into reverse. It will make the first click down but can not pull it down the rest of the way into the gear.
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Re: Prelude Will not go into reverse

Sounds like you got a problem then
Check your linkage. If not then you probly broke the reverse lever in the trans.
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Re: Prelude Will not go into reverse

If it just absolutely will not go in to reverse, here is something you can try...
Put some lucas in there, either the transmission fix or the oil stabilizer will be fine...Run it for a 10 miles. If it still will not go into reverse, then remove transmission. While slowly rotating the input shaft backwards (which will be counter clockwise) take the levers on the side of the transmission and keep moving it from first to reverse. Eventually it will probably go into reverse, once you have it there, do this several times and continue to rotate the input shaft. It will clean the burs off and straighten the gear and lube it enough to make it usable. You can then reinstall the transmission, make sure its full when you're done or you will have the same problem again. I lost my reverse gear, While I had the motor out I decided to fix it, and this worked.
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Re: Prelude Will not go into reverse

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If it just absolutely will not go in to reverse, here is something you can try...
Put some lucas in there, either the transmission fix or the oil stabilizer will be fine...Run it for a 10 miles. If it still will not go into reverse, then remove transmission. While slowly rotating the input shaft backwards (which will be counter clockwise) take the levers on the side of the transmission and keep moving it from first to reverse. Eventually it will probably go into reverse, once you have it there, do this several times and continue to rotate the input shaft. It will clean the burs off and straighten the gear and lube it enough to make it usable. You can then reinstall the transmission, make sure its full when you're done or you will have the same problem again. I lost my reverse gear, While I had the motor out I decided to fix it, and this worked.
Ok. I dont really have much mechanical experience at all. So these questions might sound dumb. But thats because I am still dumb when it come to this stuff. Haha.. Where exactly do I need to put the Lucas oil? So if that doesnt work. I know it is tough to take out the transmission. Would i be able to do that myself? I know it would probably be easy to drop the transaxle to get to the transmission, but would i be able to get the car high enough in my garage to be able to do this stuff?
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Re: Prelude Will not go into reverse

there is fill and drain holes, on the passenger side of the transmission, if you havent dropped a trans before on a lude, it can be a pain in the ass, of course you can do it, just due some research before you do it, and yes you can do it in your garage, pull it in, start from the top disconnect everything, then jack it up high as you can, do not forget jack stands and then get at it. its not to bad.


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Ok. I dont really have much mechanical experience at all. So these questions might sound dumb. But thats because I am still dumb when it come to this stuff. Haha.. Where exactly do I need to put the Lucas oil? So if that doesnt work. I know it is tough to take out the transmission. Would i be able to do that myself? I know it would probably be easy to drop the transaxle to get to the transmission, but would i be able to get the car high enough in my garage to be able to do this stuff?
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Re: Prelude Will not go into reverse

The transaxle=transmission. A transaxle is an axle trapped in a transmissions body. So now that the political correctness is outta the way...
Biggest problem with removal will be the axle nuts. and popping the ball joints, Elevation isn't so much of an issue, you just need just enough room in between to slide it out and then back in. its not real heavy.
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Re: Prelude Will not go into reverse

Ok first off, you are not dumb. Your questions were not dumb. Matter of fact your description was a heck of a lot better than 99% of the newbs and many experienced folks as well. All the things you've tried usually work..
I guess at the 1st "click" you let off the clutch and get 'grrr rrr rrr'? If so do you push back in on clutch while still in reverse position? Sometimes that works for me on my old Ford truck when it's problematic.
Made this guy think linkage right off the bat. But it could be burrs like green guy said.
So start by downloading the manual. Read the tranny section in your spare time.

All Gen. Prelude Service Manuals
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It'll give you instructions.
But first, check it for linkage connection points. Have a buddy move the shifter around while you watch to see what's what.
Remove the console and check the cables there too. One 3g guy said the other day 'hopefully it's not a penny or a lego stopping it', which crazy enough could be the case.

Then find the oil filler port, check there to ensure it has oil in it. Note the square dent in the nut is for your 3/8 ratchet pintel. No need for a socket. Why? Idunno, but it's cool anyway. Why not go ahead and change the oil anyway? $6/qt at your dealer plus a crush washer.

Once you've done those things you'll have some know how that should boost your confidence to proceed further into the deal.
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Re: Prelude Will not go into reverse

Thanks everyone. This is the info I needed!. Once i get a couple of warm days here ill be out there trying it.
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Ok. I dont really have much mechanical experience at all.

Would i be able to do that myself?

would i be able to get the car high enough in my garage to be able to do this stuff?

Seroiusly guys, are you trying to embarass this dude?

Don't attempt to drop your tranny if you have zero mechanical experience.

It will be a TOTAL PITA for someone with a solid backround to do laying on their back.

Worst case you ruin your car AND hurt yourself.

If you can get someone with experience to help you, that's a different story.

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Seroiusly guys, are you trying to embarass this dude?

Don't attempt to drop your tranny if you have zero mechanical experience.

It will be a TOTAL PITA for someone with a solid backround to do laying on their back.

Worst case you ruin your car AND hurt yourself.

If you can get someone with experience to help you, that's a different story.


haha. yeah I wont be dropping my tranny as some weekend project. I know better than that with my experience. I will just be trying the little stuff that doesnt require any disassembly of the tranny right now.
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Re: Prelude Will not go into reverse

If you want to go about it the easy way...borrow a cherry picker, remove the engine and trans at the same time. Then take the trans off the engine while its out. Its easier.
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Re: Prelude Will not go into reverse

Yeah, very good write-up for not being very "mechanically minded"!

And just to confirm...

So you aren't even getting any grinding noises when trying to go into reverse? And you can shift into 1-5 without any problems? If that is the case then it's NOT your clutch or anything related to the clutch. (Meaning its NOT your Master cylinder, Slave cylinder, Fluid Reservoir, associated hoses/hard lines, or fluid)

Does the shifter go all the way back like it is going into gear but doesn't? If that is the case, then Toddmayne1 may be right in saying that the reverse "lever" that moves the gears in and out may be broken...

But to me It sounds more likely to be the synchros for your reverse have gone out.

Here is something you can try that requires almost zero mechanical experience...

Have someone help you push the car backwards on a decent length of road with the engine running and with the clutch out, and try to shift into reverse while rolling back. If it doesn't go into R with the clutch out, try pushing the clutch in as well. You should be able to feel the gears "touching" when you pull back on the shifter.

Another thing that might be causing this is that the 3rd gear itself moved out of place on the shaft inside and you aren't able to move the sliding gear to engage with it. I had that happen on a car I had... but the 2nd gear actually slid back and locked in place while I was in 1st gear... I wasn't able to shift at all when that happened and good thing I was taking off from a light and not on the highway when it happened...

If that is the case, Then I have some bad news... You will either need your tranny rebuilt or a "new" tranny. But sounds like your tranny needs work anyways, synchros or whatever.

Good luck either way.

But for now, just be sure to park where you can pull through when you get back in your car!!
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Re: Prelude Will not go into reverse

Mine did this adjusted the linkage and it was good to go.
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