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hi .... as of now i own a crashed 96 bb1(h22a1) or si vtec model prelude .as i said its crashed from the back and is not drivable so im planing to do a swap(just into another prelude 4th gen of course :) i already found the other prelude it has a blown h23 still sitting in it ....i told a shop how much they would charge me for everything they said 600(plus me giving them the blown motor with its tranny) me still being 17 i cant really afford that so my question is should i attempt to do the motor and transmission swap with me and my friends or should i tell another friend of mine who professionally works on Sti's(hes only charging me 400).

is this that hard of a swap ive heard that it is
me and my friends have never swapped an engine before we have all the tools to do it and we have the space though ive done a lot of research and i do somewhat know my way around an engine but ive just never pulled out or put in an engine

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Re: trying to do swap (h22a1)

If you have to ask....Pay somebody!
And not your buddy who wants 400...

No motor swap is easy...well maybe a lawnmower..but proper swappage is never easy.

For a few reasons...
- If your first thoughts are to do this as cheaply as possible, you and/or your buddies are gonna cut corners.."eh, that hose looks good enough." You'll need a few hundred bucks for gaskets, belts, timing belt kit, hoses...

- If you've never assisted with a swap, you'll likely break stuff removing or installing said motor. And you'll learn the item you broke is difficult to find, expensive or both. A motor takes time to pull safely. Lots of checking, double checking. All one crank at a time with the engine crane. And that's the easy part. Putting it back in another car..

- A buncha 17 years olds all hopped up on caffine pulling an all nighter? Rarely anything good results...even with experienced folks involved. Mistakes get made. Work gets sloppy. Bolts not fastened proper..or not at all.

Too many folks today think a motor swap starts friday afternoon and the car is running saturday night. Sure it's possible. But without careful planning, proper tools, and plenty of time, weeks if need be, you're better off saving up a couple hundred bucks more and paying a shop who'll know how to do it properly. .

Later on, when you have more experience, then go for it. Aint no shame in one not knowing how. There is shame in that one thinking they do and botching the job, ending up with a car parked under a tree due to lack of funds, or worse, it ends up in a junkyard.
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thanks man really good advise. last thing id like to ask is do you think that 600 plus the h23 and its tranny is a good price

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its not that hard of a swap if you know what you are doing. id consider going obd1 if your area doesn't require testing
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Re: trying to do swap (h22a1)

I took out my first engine, rebuilt it from head to toe, and put it back in the car at 16.
it took me four months.
oh but my parents paid for all of it. if not, I know for a fact it never would have gotten done.
you will run into things. an axle won't come out here, a ball joint won't break loose there, you just can't get to a particular bolt and spend $60 in tools trying to find some combo of tools that will work.
it is defiantly possible, but not in a day, week, or maybe even a month.
being with in cycling or a five minute drive to an auto parts store really helps.
that being said, once you do complete it, don't expect it to run like a top.
my engine spun a bearing after 23k.
but since then I have owned three more preludes, and am currently rebuilding an h23 to go into an si.
but I do suggest doing it yourself. it will give you an idea of what is under your hood and more importantly, save you alot of money in the ling run because you will know how to fix something when it goes bad and not get cheated my a mechanic that doesn't know your car as well as you do.
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^^ wise words.

I just helped my son do a swap in his car. Man, the things I learned about my car!!! Stuff I used to take to my mechanic...not anymore.

My son and I just spent the day plucking parts off a nice 5th gen at the junkyard. Somebody had botched a swap and when the car wouldn't start they junked it. Cool with me. We just got a couple thousand dollars (if purchased new) worth of parts for our cars for peanuts. Some of it that JDM stuff so many lads get all jiggy about.
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it is possible to get it swapped and running in 1 day its not rocket science lol
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it is possible to get it swapped and running in 1 day its not rocket science lol
Honest question,
Think back to the time where you didn't even know how to correctly set a torque wrench. Now would you say the same thing?
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Honest question,
Think back to the time where you didn't even know how to correctly set a torque wrench. Now would you say the same thing?
I would have paid a shop to do it and called it a day lol but after getting screwed by some shops I wouldn't let another one touch my car unless its something I couldn't handle with some friends
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^^ this...
Except I always used shops the 'grown ups' used. They had to face the wrath of my mom if they screwed me. lol.
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Re: trying to do swap (h22a1)

but thats also why they sell new cars with a warranty so you don't have to take it to random shops or work on it with friends where you may have to spend extra on tools and misc stuff. there are plenty of ways to go about it but why do they want the bad engine and that trans too? i never had a shop tell me i had to give my money and parts too
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thanks everyone for all the responses really helped me get an idea of what im getting into .....so i just went to the shop they now said they only want the tranny so in total they are charging me 700 for full swap i do really trust the shop though (they did my bros k24 swap and it turned out great) on the other hand my friend that works on sti"s recently said he would lend me his tools and help me step by step with no charge (he thought it was cool we were doing this as a project) and my brother told me i have three months to use his garage
hate to ask again but im leaning towards doing it myself what do you guys think

o ya i have been saving up money from my job and right now all i have is 500 i really don't like asking to barrow money from mom or brother so do you think it can be done with 500 flat
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I am with you there.
I hate having over people work on my stuff, not just my car. I have only had to take my car to a shop once for lack of tools and time and boy, did I get screwed for their learning curve.
OP I vote for doing it yourself if you have good proper tools to use. Not only save money but gain the experience, the most valuable thing ever.
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thanks and i hate that feeling too.... knowing im getting screwed over even though i havent tried it myself
o ya probably a stupid question but but do you think all motor mounts and everything would sit exactly the same since they both were holding h series engines
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Since you have 3 months of garage use, a mechanics tool set and help...
Dew eeeeet yerself bro!!!
The $500 may be your only dilema...that'll get ate up quickly in parts...DO NOT BUY THEM AT THE DEALER. Use majestic or honda parts now for your oem stuff like water pump, oil pump and you'll save big $.
It's best to buy all new gaskets, belts n hoses. But you may not have enough cash to do that. So while the motor is still in the car, look it over good. Decide, which hose(s) you'd rather not be fixing on a cold Sunday in the rain, because that's when it'll burst...replace any hose that has oil on it. Replace your oil cooler o-ring (right flyer?)...
Best to do new 02 sensors during a swap. Starting out with new stuff adds a long time trouble free, and it's much easier to do these things while the motor is out and exhaust is dropped.
I think (but not 100% sure) the front and rear motor mounts will work. NAPA sells good motor mounts for a lot less than Honda for the same quality.
Go to hondapartsnow.com. Type in your 4th gen car specifics...the one getting said motor. Find a motor mount. Type that part # in the search bar. It'll populate a list of cars it fits.
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oh yes replace that damn oil cooler o ring.
remember that time I mentioned about me rebuilding my first engine at 16?
well, when I finally got it to crank after putting it back in, I tried to fire it up several times before I heard this heavy dripping sound. I looked under the car to see 21 dollar a quart break-in oil running down the shops drain. I didn't put any o-ring at all on the oil cooler because I didn't pay attention when I took the thing off, and didn't pay attention to the fsm putting it back together.
so triple check all your work, and once you get to know your way around your bay you will be able to see what you should replace and what you can hold off on replacing, the easier stuff.
so just to be clear, you know that the h22 that you are pulling out of the crashed '96 is healthy? or did you buy it without any knowledge of the PO?
if no knowledge, and if you can afford to wait and save some more, I would do a full rebuild while you have a shop and tools.
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hi .... as of now i own a crashed 96 bb1(h22a1) or si vtec model prelude .as i said its crashed from the back and is not drivable so im planing to do a swap(just into another prelude 4th gen of course :) i already found the other prelude it has a blown h23 still sitting in it ....i told a shop how much they would charge me for everything they said 600(plus me giving them the blown motor with its tranny) me still being 17 i cant really afford that so my question is should i attempt to do the motor and transmission swap with me and my friends or should i tell another friend of mine who professionally works on Sti's(hes only charging me 400).

is this that hard of a swap ive heard that it is
me and my friends have never swapped an engine before we have all the tools to do it and we have the space though ive done a lot of research and i do somewhat know my way around an engine but ive just never pulled out or put in an engine

please share your thought and any info will help
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Get a manual and do it with your friends...nice to learn on your own so if something goes wrong you'll know what, where and how to fix...possibly.
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oh yes replace that damn oil cooler o ring.
remember that time I mentioned about me rebuilding my first engine at 16?
well, when I finally got it to crank after putting it back in, I tried to fire it up several times before I heard this heavy dripping sound. I looked under the car to see 21 dollar a quart break-in oil running down the shops drain. I didn't put any o-ring at all on the oil cooler because I didn't pay attention when I took the thing off, and didn't pay attention to the fsm putting it back together.
so triple check all your work, and once you get to know your way around your bay you will be able to see what you should replace and what you can hold off on replacing, the easier stuff.
so just to be clear, you know that the h22 that you are pulling out of the crashed '96 is healthy? or did you buy it without any knowledge of the PO?
if no knowledge, and if you can afford to wait and save some more, I would do a full rebuild while you have a shop and tools.
It took my son a couple months, an hour here, two there to ready to pull the engine. We plucked it out with an engine crane a little at a time. The power steering switch was still hooked up and the intake was trying to wreck the cowl on the way out.

A marathon parts swap from H22 to 23 took place starting at midnight Friday and by Sunday everybody was spent. Two experts drove 6 hours 1 way to help us do the parts swap properly.
Some bolts wouldn't work so we ordered new. Some threads got stripped, so they were heli-coiled. All a couple weeks later. 1 of the experts returned to ensure threads got corrected correctly etc.

We hung the engine for planting and oil ran out between the pan and block. Some seafoam and a quart of oil were poured over gunk on the valve train etc. It got on the block, pre permatex.
Thermostat housing bolts were loose, clutch line wasn't tight...list goes on. Mistakes happen.
Especially when you are tired.

Round 2, the expert had been up all night 8 hours away and stayed with us until midnight..half marathon? I told him to go home before he dies. He stayed until all 4 corners of the engine were anchored.

Once that was done I disassembled a bunch of stuff re-fastened it. Just wanted to be sure what my son and I had done was correct. Torque wrench used on nearly very screw and bolt. When the engine was done we went over it with a fine toothed comb twice.

On start day I wanted him to crank 2 seconds to ensure no fuel leaked...it started in 3..first time. No leaks from our work. The oil pan had a slight leak at an unused bolt hole. I made a permatex bung to plug that.
2000 miles later, not a single issue...

I think my son spent about $1200 on new clutch, clutch cylinders and line, belts,hoses, gaskets, water pump, timing parts, all on hopes a used engine was going to run.

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did the h23 to h22 swap with a buddy that swapped them into civics. it still took us about 17 hours to get the engine running start to finish and about 2 weeks to find all our mistakes. all i can say is if you cant afford to pay a knowledgeable person WITH experience to swap the engine think about how much a replacement h22a is gonna cost if you make a mistake. in the end my car died because i cut a corner and reused my old oil pump. it lost just enough pressure to starve the engine to death 2 months after the swap but not enough to throw a light or code.
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