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Suddenly won't start.... 2nd Edition

Please see this thread:
Plox help... suddenly won't start


Same exact problem: Starter solenoid clicks, starter gear aligns to ring gear (physically examined through check port on flywheel casing), doesn't crank.
When the starter clicks.......after it clicks, that is, it makes the noise (and dash lights dim) that would be normal if the starter motor was running. I don't know exactly, I don't have electrical equipment hooked up to it, it might still be the solenoid causing this dimming and such.

Here's what I'm REALLY getting worried about... according to the way it's acting it's almost as if my engine is "just too difficult to turn over". Which is obviously a problem. When it DOES start the engine runs fine besides a fuel injection problem related to idle speed (low idle speed, surging when cold sometimes).

I want people to bounce ideas off of me of possible causes of "an engine being too difficult to start" such as compression maybe.. For instance, I thought my clutch could be broken and not releasing from the pressure plate. But that doesn't make sense at all since my car drives normally during normal operation AND I can still move the car when the handbrake is off (I can move the car even when the handbrake is on but that's a different problem) and the clutch is being pressed.

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Re: Suddenly won't start.... 2nd Edition

Additional info: I have already tried the bypassing-of-electronics procedure to diagnose the Starter. The starter still clicks when being supplied directly from the battery. (meaning that it's not cranking)

I managed to get the car started in this way: I connected jumper cables from the S terminal to a switch, then to the positive terminal of the battery (S terminal is the smaller connector on the starter, and if I didn't use a switch it would immediately try to crank and I would get sparks). I diagnosed it so that I determined it was NOT a grounding problem. It was absolutely 100%... something to do with the solenoid (which is the switch for the starter motor circuit). In the end I used a bent hacksaw blade to pull the planetary (starter) gear further out, thinking that the solenoid wasn't moving outwards far enough to complete the motor circuit. I clicked the switch a few times after this, no luck, THEN I clicked it rabidly (analog switch) and it released, clicked again, and started cranking. I had already tested whether or not the planetary (or starter) gear was jammed or not. Jamming was not the problem in the strict sense of THAT particular gear.

I really could use some professional input, I think. My VERY BEST guess is that due to the age and usage of the flywheel/ring gear this is somehow causing issues to any starter I connect to it thus creating an intermittent problem that can sometimes leave me stranded (luckily the only times i've gotten stuck were at home).

(Yes, the starter gear DOES "hang" on to the ring gear sometimes.. perhaps this is the problem? if the starter gear hangs on the ring gear then that means the internal starter gear assembly and solenoid could be missing each other..... Have I nailed it???!!)
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Re: Suddenly won't start.... 2nd Edition

I made a long post in response to the lack of response... but then realized it's worthless trying. Another post for the garbage bin.
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Re: Suddenly won't start.... 2nd Edition

Sometimes a dead battery won't take a jump.

I've had batteries that the lights would work and wouldn't start the car nor allow a jump.

But with all those other things you've described, it sounds like a bad starter.
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Re: Suddenly won't start.... 2nd Edition

That's pretty much what it's showing, a bad starter. But since the new starter IMMEDIATELY started doing the exact same thing as the older starter, and I had taken the old starter OUT of the vehicle and tested it and it worked exactly fine, I learned that it's not the starter causing the problem, although the starters could be getting damaged from the cause.

I posted something on Summit Racing's youtube channel and they responded with a positive pertaining to the possibility that a bad flywheel could be causing a problem in the starter.
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Re: Suddenly won't start.... 2nd Edition

As in the flywheel is frozen?
That's interesting. Summit knows their chit.
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As in the flywheel is frozen?
Is this question referring to Summit Racing response? If so, then no they were referring to flywheel teeth damage. For my flywheel it has been used long enough that the teeth are worn, possibly broken idk, but they are definitely worn down. I was WORRIED that the flywheel or engine could be intermittently frozen or something.
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Re: Suddenly won't start.... 2nd Edition

This problem was never actually fixed. But to update: I believe the flywheel gears are worn. The flywheel is off of the old engine (which was destroyed due to negligence). The starter gear attaches itself to the flywheel but doesn't like to let-go, so it's easy to conclude that it sometimes gets jammed and due to the way that the solenoid/motor circuits work in the starter it won't try to turn over if the solenoid isn't back in its original place. I replaced a starter for this..... that was a fairly big purchase. The new starter seems to be of good quality, though, so I'm not too concerned. But the problem shows up occasionally. The best way to get past it is to quickly turn the ignition key from On the Start and then On again and Start again until it engages. It's better to just get a new flywheel, though, since I'm going to eventually have to replace the ignition switch.
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