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So ive got myself a 1995 honda prelude Vtir, BB1 with 4WS

The Problem is it now has 261 000 kms, now over the last few months the car has felt as though it is starting to become less reactive in terms of acceleration
it has started to go through even more oil than it used to, simply through myself checking and need to top it up more than i used to,
the cars last service was at 255 000 kms, and all the general stuff was done/changed, fluids, oil, filters...

The car is taking a couple seconds longer than it used to to fire up as well, and even in idle i am able to hold my hand behind the exhaust and am able to see small, almost pen blotch, black dots from the exhaust on it. though it does have hi flow extractors and 2.5 inch sport exhaust the whole way through...

Anyhow i called my mechanic, and he tells me that by the sounds of these issues i may be up for a new/replacement engine, however he will be looking at it and giving it another service soon, and that from there i will need to make a decision on what will be best, with obviously some help from himself...

So my question is,
has anyone had problems like these, what did you do?
And what are your initial thoughts on the jump to the new engine just from a phone call?
oh i am 18 and do drive it daily, in all honesty i do probably drive it a little bit hard, i.e ill get around 300 kms from a full tank of fuel

Cheers for taking your time to read this and i hope some one is able to help me with options of action..

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Re: Help- 4th gen- New Engine??

- do full tune up:

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- new spark plugs & wires
- new distributor cap & rotor
- new air/fuel filters
- clean injectors/iacv/egr/fitv
- new pcv
- adjust valves and ignition

check o2 sensors and vacuum/exhaust leaks
check timing. after that: double check timing

clogged cat might you give some trouble as well (usually when driving)

those are basic maintenance as well.
- you have to rebuild that "new" engine also, or soon you will face same problems than with your current one so its cheaper just rebuild your current engine
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Re: Help- 4th gen- New Engine??

Cheers mate
Also if anyone else has had similar problems or has needed to change their engine for what ever reasons... How much would it cost to have a mechanic to take out and fit a replacement engine. If so how much,

PS I'm in Australia, so prices may be different to other countries, more aimed at people in Australia

Cheers for your time and any replies or future questions are appreciated
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Re: Help- 4th gen- New Engine??

it takes about 3-4 work days to take old engine out and put another in...

of course you can count that if you replace clutch, timing belt-things, seals etc its roughly ~36 hours
+ new parts of course: seals, gaskets, timing belt-things, new clutch and so on so the price is of course higher than just the work

but also see, that for the price of that "new" engine you can get punch of seals, new clutch and things like that for your old engine if you rebuild that (parts what you have to new anyway there for your new engine). so its not always cheaper to buy "new" than rebuild your current one
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Re: Help- 4th gen- New Engine??

That is one rare model. VTEC+4WS.

I think that's the one Senna drove in the original commercial. Loaded to the tits.

Goodluck with it!
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Re: Help- 4th gen- New Engine??

Cheers mate
Yeah when i was looking to buy it this was the main reasons it stood out for me, other than its looks, i hadn't seen many 4ws and the vtec on the same car, for the price.

there is a problem though, the 4ws is a bit touchy, some times it doesnt work, and at other times it does...

I've asked my mechanic about having it fixed and he quoted around 2000 to have it fixed, i don't really feel like having it done though cause even without the 4ws it still handles really well.

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Re: Help- 4th gen- New Engine??

Cheers TypeT
really helps, i have called around some of the shops near where i live and the majority said i would be best off to take my engine out and recondition it, then put it back in.
I had one reply with, how much do u love the car? its gonna set u back around 4-6 000
hmmm not happy but i do love the car,
then another said that he could do it "drive in - drive out" for 3900, he has a very good reputation as an expert on these cars, i think ill use him.
now i must ask one more question
with my 260 000 kms in mind would it be better to have the engine reconditioned or do a rebuilt on it,
the quotes i have received are all for a recondition, mostly due to that is what the mechanics have been recommending.

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with my 260 000 kms in mind would it be better to have the engine reconditioned or do a rebuilt on it,
the quotes i have received are all for a recondition, mostly due to that is what the mechanics have been recommending.

Cheers for your help
does it burn oil? do you have to add it often?

if you do, your piston rings are probably gone and if you start to change them oh boy its gonna cost!

in that case its wise to new bottom bearings and piston rings among other seals/gaskets/timing belt things/ignition parts and so on

BUT in that case Id take your block to some machine shop to be checkd out that the cylinder walls are ok! and take your head to machine shop as well to be checkd out (and get valve seals changed)

but then again, if you have money to do full rebuild - you have almost new engine after that
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Re: Help- 4th gen- New Engine??

oh yeah it burns oil.
I have needed to refill/top up my oil at a near weekly rate.
So in the last month and a half I've added roughly 5 litres.

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Re: Help- 4th gen- New Engine??

auts, then you definetly need full rebuild!
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auts, then you definetly need full rebuild!
Oh well, it would seem its time for te fun to begin
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Re: Help- 4th gen- New Engine??

theres some bad mechanics if they give you that crappy advices...
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theres some bad mechanics if they give you that crappy advices...
oh its not that they are bad mechanics or anything, in fact they were recommended by multiple other car enthusiasts, i was just surprised by the quick thought of the requirement for an engine rebuild/recondition/replacement.

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Re: Help- 4th gen- New Engine??

so the engine has now been changed, runs sooo much better, unfortunately i ended up having my h22a1 taken out and a h22a4 put in, hmmm debatable as to how unfortunate, the a1 had 256 000kms the a4 has less than 120 000kms.
but yeah so basically i have already noticed a difference in the hh22a4, feeling more "torquey" down low, but when i get it up around vtec it feels a bit less aggressive compared to the h22a1.
maybe this is just me.
but im really happy with the low range improvements, and there is now virtually zero noticable burnt oils or smokey sh*t coming out the exhaust

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The H22A4 is the motor from the 5th generation Prelude. Should be just a little more powerful. I'm assuming all of it's electronics came with it? If not, maybe that explains the loss in top end.
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