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4th gen 2.2 , timing belt question

So I'm looking at buying a 92 fourth gen prelude with the 2.2 motor but the guy said the timin belt snapped and the car just stopped at that point. What could that mean? Bent valves or just need the belt replaced?
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Re: 4th gen 2.2 , timing belt question

Most likely bent valves and maybe damaged pistons if it's severe enough.
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How much is being asked for the car ?
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Re: 4th gen 2.2 , timing belt question

He is asking a grand. May be able to talk guy down. I just don't wanna get it and then have bent valves and messed up pistons and basically have to rebuild the motor
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Re: 4th gen 2.2 , timing belt question

Interference motor = valves will contact the pistons if the motor isn't timed correctly.
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Yeah but is the 2.2 and interference motor?
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Definitely. Non-interference motors are very low compression.
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Re: 4th gen 2.2 , timing belt question

So 2.2 snapped timing belt most likely means bent valves and possibly bad pistons?
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Re: 4th gen 2.2 , timing belt question

Maybe it depends on what rpm range the belt snapped at.. I'm not sure.

I think you would need a compression test, but first you would need a new belt, and to have everything timed properly before turning the engine by the crank bolt even.
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Re: 4th gen 2.2 , timing belt question

^^ That man rite there is your best hope to a solution. I can read **** all day but he can tell you from experience the thing you need to do.

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Re: 4th gen 2.2 , timing belt question

My 2.2 shredded one belt due to a failing auto tensioner, but I had just shifted into 3rd gear from going at a stop light and there ended up being no valve or piston damage. Three weeks later, my new auto tensioner failed and allowed the new belt to skip teeth, and was so loose it was slapping the underside of the valve cover. Again, somehow, there was no damage and no loss of compression, so I switched to a manual tensioner setup and never had another problem with it. As stated already, it can come down to what RPM the belt snapped at, how 'in-time' the motor was at the breaking point, and even how many times the owner tried cranking the motor over before realizing it was the timing belt.

A compression test will tell you if there's any valve damage, but may not tell you if there was actual contact between pistons and valves, and even then you can't do a compression test until a new belt is installed anyway.

If you're mechanically inclined, offer them what you'd pay for a car without a motor, because that could be what you're getting if nothing further has been checked.
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Re: 4th gen 2.2 , timing belt question

And its easier to pull the head off when the belt is broken! You could check for piston slap. Basically, it depends how much you want a prelude, if the body is good, then its a steal, kinda... How many miles are on it? Bring that price DOWNNNNNN!
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Re: 4th gen 2.2 , timing belt question

My timing belt broke in my car and nothing happened. I have an h22, but I was slowing down when it went. So I got lucky as ****.
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My 2.2 shredded one belt due to a failing auto tensioner, but I had just shifted into 3rd gear from going at a stop light and there ended up being no valve or piston damage. Three weeks later, my new auto tensioner failed and allowed the new belt to skip teeth, and was so loose it was slapping the underside of the valve cover. Again, somehow, there was no damage and no loss of compression, so I switched to a manual tensioner setup and never had another problem with it. As stated already, it can come down to what RPM the belt snapped at, how 'in-time' the motor was at the breaking point, and even how many times the owner tried cranking the motor over before realizing it was the timing belt.

A compression test will tell you if there's any valve damage, but may not tell you if there was actual contact between pistons and valves, and even then you can't do a compression test until a new belt is installed anyway.

If you're mechanically inclined, offer them what you'd pay for a car without a motor, because that could be what you're getting if nothing further has been checked.
A leak down test would be a bit better in this case imo. Anyway, Ive heard from the master techs in my company that there is always the chance that interference motors still survive with no damage when the timing belt breaks, and even non interference motors can still still bend valves from broken timing belts. It's honestly the luck of the draw.
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Re: 4th gen 2.2 , timing belt question

The body looks good and the miles were pretty low. Less than 175k I believe. I got a 91 third gen that is built but idk if I wanna chance getting a busted lude that will cost more to fix than I did to buy it
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Re: 4th gen 2.2 , timing belt question

My 4th gen snapped while my sister was driving.
She tried to start it maybe 20 times, We put a new belt on and no damage or bent valves.
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The body looks good and the miles were pretty low. Less than 175k I believe. I got a 91 third gen that is built but idk if I wanna chance getting a busted lude that will cost more to fix than I did to buy it
All depends on how much you want it, there is NO telling what is the condition of the bottom end of the engine, now that u know what could be going on with the head. I would want to look at the condition of the oil. There may still be more wrong with it. How long has the car been sitting ? Look for clues to see if the seller tries to BS. Like if he tells you "the car's been sitting for a week or 2" but you see heaps of rust on the rotors, then you know somethings up...

But I'd still try to knock another 400 maybe off that price, and then ANY rebuild that costs more than the price of the car is worth it.

Entirely up to you though and how much you want a 4th gen. I say do it , but I'm biased!
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Re: 4th gen 2.2 , timing belt question

Haha I mean if I can get the price lower and for a deal then possibly grab it up. Yeah ur right gotta check what's exactly up with the car and see what all else could b wrong with it. Thanks for the heads up.
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I'd offer...$600...or you can tell him to shove it, and either wait long for the buyer that will never come, or tell him to take it to the junkyard and maybe get 200-300 bucks.
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If I was gonna buy it, I'd have no expectations... don't disappoint yourself.
Whatever you spend on it, make sure you can write off. Other problems, as has been stated, other than the motor, are fair play.
175k isn't exactly low miles either, so take that into account.. it'd be a project though, that's for sure.

He's more burdened with the car than you are with the money. Shiet, I'd make him pay me to take the car off his hands. The whole situation's kinda shady anyway..

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Did the F22 have an auto tensioner?

Just had to mention it, being a 92.
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Re: 4th gen 2.2 , timing belt question

Hell, I'd call 175k HIGH miles. I've driven cars to that point (admittedly, not preludes) and by then even well maintained cars are falling apart in a big way. Even if you get the car for pocket change and drop in a freshly rebuilt H22 it'll likely need a total suspension overhaul if it hasn't been done already. The steering rack may be full of slop. It's had 180,000 miles worth of ass-in-the-seat, hands-on-the-wheel and feet-on-the-carpet.

At 180,000 miles my old '00 Nissan Frontier (KA24DE-of-240sx-fame-powered) had spontaneous coolant leak after coolant leak showing up. water pump seal... bad hose... radiator seam... The surface of the A/C clutch wore away until the clearance was too great for the coil to pull it in, so it wouldn't engage, and after 180,000 miles of heat cycles me and two buddies who are both professional mechanics couldn't get it off to remove the shims. I had to throw away a working $380 compressor.

I'd say unless you can get some proof that some major high mileage overhauls have been done to that car, walk away from it. It's probably had next to nothing in the way of maintenance if the owner neglected the timing belt long enough for it to fail, and the engine will be only the beginning of a money pit.
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Re: 4th gen 2.2 , timing belt question

My Prelude has 232k miles on the original H22A1, and aside from some bushings that need to be replaced, it's really no worse for wear. Hondas were built extremely well back in the 90's.
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Yes, but how well it's maintained is the key. A well-cared for 175k Prelude probably has another 125k in it before you're near the edge of known Prelude space. A beater is just reaching for your wallet.
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I've had it since 173k, and have 232k on it now. No idea when the last time the timing belt was done, hahaha.
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