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Nessie's H22A Swap

Well guys, Im happen to announce that its finally happened! My H22A swap has finally occurred! This is kind of a long post, I made a picture guide and then talk about any issues we had and how we fixed them at the end. I figure that may help out anybody making a similar swap. I edit this as I come up with more fixes, as some of the fixes are already discussed later in the thread, but its just easier to go back to the first post.


I ordered my H22A from Hmotorsonline, and I have to say I was extremely pleased with working with them. They made me aware that I would need a new header or downpipe with my swap, and offered to sell me one, but I found one elsewhere. The motor arrived two days ahead of schedule, which is nice. I was extremely happy with how clean the motor was. I ended up having an H23 wiring harness from doing a previous swap in someone elses car, and used that as opposed to the JDM H22 harness because things were all kinds of weird.
We pulled the hood off at 1 on Friday July 27, and the motor kicked over for the first time at 5:15 on Sunday July 29. It was just my dad, brother and I doing the work!

Before

Getting ready to replace the timing belt. I was very pleased with how clean things were internally

More very clean internals

We got no motor!

New Exedy OEM clutch

Everything bolted up. Decided to keep my F trans. Yes, the heater hoses are blue. No Im not trying to rice, my dad works for a hose company and went with some extra strength stuff they had.

Motor in and ready to go!

ISSUES ALONG THE WAY:
Oh there were several.
1: Walking timing belt. The scariest issue actually. We shredded half a timing belt in 60 miles, ended up with the intake cam pointing at 7, exhaust at 4. Got everything lined up and after a manual tensioner conversion, kicked it over with no bent valves thank god!

2: The O2 sensor. I used my original sensor, which has a female end. The H23 harness also has a female end for the oxygen sensor. To fix we just cut the male end off the H22 harness, and spliced the wires into the H23 harness.

3: The distributor. The JDM H22A distributor is an internal coil, which I like the cleanliness of aesthetically, but the H23 harness is wired for external coil. I could have swapped the guts over between my F and H distributors, but I knew I would find a way to screw that up, so I searched and found some other possibilities. The one that I ended up doing was taking a 30A fuse and connecting it to the wiring for the external coil. The two wires that are side by side in the plug can be connected perfectly by a fuse from a fuse box, and it works just fine.

4: VTEC. My VTEC solenoid only came with the single plug, and without the oil pressure sensor. Since my H23 harness doesnt have any VTEC wiring we just ran a single wire to the A4 pin on my ECU. If you get a motor with single wire VTEC you'll have to piggyback a wire from the A4 pin into the D4 pin in a P28 ECU because that ecu looks for the vtec oil pressure sensor.

5. the ECU: In the previous swap mentioned, we had a P28 that we ended up not using because it was only running two cylinders. When I plugged it in, it did the same thing in my car. So to test the mechanics of the engine, we plugged in my F22A1 computer, and it was running smoothly on all 4 cylinders. So I took the ECU back to get the base map tuning fixed. Turns out the dude who sold me the ECU sold me a bad one, which I'm pretty sure he knew it was bad, and I bought a new P28, got it tuned properly, and that was fixed.

6. The damn alternator belts! We shredded 6 in a week, and I drove it to Atlanta on of an alternator belt. Why was this happening? H series crank pulleys are 6 rib, F series A/C pulley is 5. So buy a 5 rib belt of the right length and you'll be golden as long as you line it up evenly.

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Extra information for swap, since I've passed this link along, I thought I would post it.
7. Fuel Rail: My H22A came with a RHD fuel rail, all I did was swap over my F motor's fuel rail and bam, good to go

She's still got the extremely high idle(1600-2000RPM), but I haven't been able to diagnose that while I've been away at school. If I can get home and get a few open days in our garage I'll be able to get the idle to the right point.
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Re: Nessie's H22A Swap

Great job, man. Glad to see you guys getting her up and running again. Sounds like you gained some knowledge along the way which is nice! Update me with how the VTEC is with those longer gear ratios!

Also the alt. belt sounds like a bad pulley either on the alt. or your harmonic balancer. I would check those!
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Re: Nessie's H22A Swap

Gained a whole lot of knowledge! Learned a lot, learned a lot of troubleshooting, and I may sit down with my dad and make an F22 to H22A swap thread, or see if we have anything to add on to any existing thread.

I'm gonna get those checked out tomorrow, I'll let y'all know. Once VTEC gets properly wired we'll have to see how it goes with the F trans.
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Cool post man! Good info for me coming up on the final leg of my project :)
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Re: Nessie's H22A Swap

Let us know what the timing belt problem is when you get it solved. I'm looking into replacing my H22 with a fresher unit.
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Re: Nessie's H22A Swap

Basically what happened with the timing belt walking was the auto tensioner went bad, the belt was going slack and sliding inward toward the balancer belt and shearing itself in half. Either go with the Kaizenspeed manual tensioner or go with the kit.

If you go with the kit, you can either order the balance belt tensioner pulley to match the H23, or put some washers in between the two tensioner pulleys. If the pulleys are rubbing it's going to cause the same issue. I'd recommend getting the H23 balancer belt tensioner pulley.

Auto tensioner fail. Took forever to get the fibers out.
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Lame. I think I'll just delete the balance shafts with the QSD or kaizenspeed kit.
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for the alt belt, make sure you are getting one with the correct amount of ribs. If I remeber right the crank pulley has 6 ribs and the alt only has 5 so that may be the issue.
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Re: Nessie's H22A Swap

^^^ alternators and ac compressors from a f22 are 5 rib. H22/H23 are 6 rib. But this may be your problem. I bought a ac compressor from rockauto and they have their info wrong on the ribs. I got a 5 rib compressor and didn't realize it untill it was installed and the sixth rib was tearing off and slapping Arround.
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Okay so could I get a 5 rib belt or am I going to need to get the correct AC compressor pulley?

Thanks for the help guys, I had no idea about that.
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Okay so could I get a 5 rib belt or am I going to need to get the correct AC compressor pulley?

Thanks for the help guys, I had no idea about that.

you can get a 5 rib belt and be ok.
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Yup I'm running a 5 rib right now. Just have to make sure it's aligned right on the alternator and crank.
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Re: Nessie's H22A Swap

yeah I went with the 5 rib and its working out well.

Its still making the really loud sound coming from the bay whenever the car gets warmed up and is worse when its moving. I think my power steering pump may be bad, but I've got one from the other motor and I'm going to try to replace it tonight. The car runs great though, minus the lack of VTEC just yet :(
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Edit: Found out the noise was a bad wheel bearing. Kind of scary to think I made a couple of 4 hour journeys on a bad wheel bearing, but we got that situated.

VTEC issue was that it was still looking for the oil pressure, so we spliced in a wire connecting the D4 pin to the wire going into the A4 pin, so that the electronic signals would fire at the same time. and BAM... NESSIE GOES BWAAAAHHHHHH.

Power steering system is being extra pissy, and I just haven't had the time to get it fixed with school and everything. But I've got some time coming up hopefully this weekend I can get to it. Still gotta get to the high idle too.

I do have to say though, I'm enjoying the fact that not only do I have 200hp and VTEC, but I can still get 33 mpgs from Knoxville to Atlanta and such.
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Glad you're getting the kinks worked out man. How was the first time hitting vtec? My power steering is starting to leak in all sorts of places now. Maybe I'll have to delete it soon hah.
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That first VTEC was awesome. Course it was in my neighborhood and all that lol. But this is my first car with it, and I'm loving it. I'm loving VTEC a little too much for my gas mileage's sake haha.

I know I've got a leak in the hose that connects the power steering pump to the reservoir, and so hopefully replacing that will solve my power steering issue. Yeah kinda thinking about a delete, probably should have done it when the car was stripped out, but this is a DD and I kind of like the comfort.
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Deleting power steering is overrated, IMHO. I'll gladly sacrifice a bit of power and room in the bay to save me from having to deal with that nonsense again.
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Yeah this is my DD for a couple years. Its just frustration that is making me think "should have gotten rid of it". Because I'd think it was cool for about a week, then I'd be sick of it. I like the comfort haha.
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Nice progress, me likey!
My first engine swap was a nice bonding experience w/ my old man as well, it was adorable





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Yeah this is my DD for a couple years. Its just frustration that is making me think "should have gotten rid of it". Because I'd think it was cool for about a week, then I'd be sick of it. I like the comfort haha.

Simply removing the PS belt will give you about 90% of an idea what it would be like w/o PS, if you're intrigued
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Yeah it was interesting, this is my second swap I've worked on with him, but the first swap we've done where the car is staying in the family. If anybody remembers Ginger I did her swap/conversion...but I don't talk about that...

This swap was his idea actually. He helped me swap the radiator and said "You know, you've got great space under the hood, you should really think about swapping the motor to something with more power." He created a monster then lol.

The belt has been squeakin like a mofo so I may just take it off for a little bit because that's an embarrassing sound. Even more when you cant fix it because my dumb ass snapped the adjustment bolt!
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