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Hey guys, im new.. not really. ive been creepin on this site for awhile.. decided join so i could be more involved i have a 93 bb1, absolutely love it! had it for a lil over a year now

BUT for my first post, i have a question..

---> Honda VTEC Oil, any of you tried this Engine Oil for VTEC Engines ?? Its time for an oil change and i ran across it. Does Honda even sell it anymore, i saw the date of this article on the bottom..

My motor is the H22a (not a1) with roughly 59,xxx miles on her.. The Japanese took real good care of this car So if the vtec oil is not on market anymore, what else is a great oil?

I hear these are real good:
-AMSOIL
-Rotella T
-and of course Mobil 1


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I'll assume that you havent been using a synthetic. You could slowly introduce your engine to a synthetic low friction oil, just do some research through google on how to introduce your engine to full synthetics...
If you live in Israel and its hot and dry, its perfect for synthetics.
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Idk how much you wanna spend but royal purple is great oil.
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I'll assume that you havent been using a synthetic. You could slowly introduce your engine to a synthetic low friction oil, just do some research through google on how to introduce your engine to full synthetics...
If you live in Israel and its hot and dry, its perfect for synthetics.
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For the record, i dont live in Israel.. Its my middle name lol..

i know its not good to, but i went from mobile 1 to Rotella T.. and this third time im going to stick with whatever i pick..

Mobil 1 is good, dont get me wrong. but when vtec hit, it didnt feel powerful.. (maybe because i wasnt using a thick enough weight)

Rotella T comes with a 15w-40.. which my vtec loves.. throttle response isnt as good as mobile 1's..

So then i found out about this VTEC oil.. im really curious on it

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Idk how much you wanna spend but royal purple is great oil.
I can vouch for them because that's what I'm using.
I heard this was real good, but then again heard it was mainly for 'racing type' cars.. like for track use and stuff.. idk. PLUS read a lot of things about RP, people say its one of the worst oils due to the fact it breaks down so fast

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0W-40 for vtec. Mobil 1, Shell, whoevs. The 0W means you don't need to wait for warm up and you have the VTEC response, the 40 will keep the oil from burning off. But you need a VTEC logbook to keep track of your consumption. Checking your dipstick every 500 miles to see what you burn off, with which grade.

IN THEORY, with the little mileage you have on your engine, good piston rings and you don't stay with VTEC engaged, you will burn about a pint between oil changes. If more, that logbook will come in handy.
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I use Liqui Moly full syn. Works well for me. Oil temps stay low and cools fast if you ever push your car hard enough (will never get that high unless you track), vtec kicks in real good but maintainance on your vtec solenoid is important to have it running prime. I really like it.
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I use mobil 1, now that you mention it, I'd be curious to know the best oil for vtec. I agree it seems the vtec doesn't kick in as much with mobile 1, but then again my engine has 176xxx miles lol
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Royal Purple. Hands down!! Also use it for my tranny and coolant additive. Great stuff buddy!!
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SYNTHETIC MOTOR OIL 1-QT(5W30) - $10.95
Royal Purple 01600 Purple Ice Super-Coolant Radiator Additive - 12 oz. -$14.39
Synchromesh Manual Transmission Fluid, quart (3501) - $17.24

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SYNTHETIC MOTOR OIL 1-QT(5W30) - $10.95
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Royal Purple. Hands down!! Also use it for my tranny and coolant additive. Great stuff buddy!!
Like i said, ive heard more bad things with RP than good.. even high end owners say they disgrace RP-- Dont think im going that route.

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I use mobil 1, now that you mention it, I'd be curious to know the best oil for vtec. I agree it seems the vtec doesn't kick in as much with mobile 1, but then again my engine has 176xxx miles lol
Thats not TOO bad of mileage.. should kick in pretty hard regardless.. My quest to find the best one isnt over yet!! lol

Im really leaning towards AMSOIL... But dont wanna order it everytime i need to change or top off

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0W-40 for vtec. Mobil 1, Shell, whoevs. The 0W means you don't need to wait for warm up and you have the VTEC response, the 40 will keep the oil from burning off. But you need a VTEC logbook to keep track of your consumption. Checking your dipstick every 500 miles to see what you burn off, with which grade.

IN THEORY, with the little mileage you have on your engine, good piston rings and you don't stay with VTEC engaged, you will burn about a pint between oil changes. If more, that logbook will come in handy.
Thanks for the insight Sideswipe!

0w-40 huh, im taking that into consideration.. Now gotta find a supplier
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Is this thread for real? You guys think different oil makes Vtec feel different? You all must be like 13 years old....
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I would start with common sense first, and go from there.
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You'd be surprised how Uncommon "common sense" is. 15W-40 is Turbo Diesel oil, and European grade oil (The Old German cars ran on it), not the best for light weight aluminum engines. Even after warm up, it's still thick. As far as feeling vtec engage that could be the Solenoid on its way out the door, or his other car has 300+hp, and pulls throughout the whole power band. Maybe he got a Numb butt.

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For the record, i dont live in Israel.. Its my middle name lol..

i know its not good to, but i went from mobile 1 to Rotella T.. and this third time im going to stick with whatever i pick..

Mobil 1 is good, dont get me wrong. but when vtec hit, it didnt feel powerful.. (maybe because i wasnt using a thick enough weight)

Rotella T comes with a 15w-40.. which my vtec loves.. throttle response isnt as good as mobile 1's..

So then i found out about this VTEC oil.. im really curious on it


I heard this was real good, but then again heard it was mainly for 'racing type' cars.. like for track use and stuff.. idk. PLUS read a lot of things about RP, people say its one of the worst oils due to the fact it breaks down so fast

At no point in time should any oil in a 15w40 touch our engines... Every time you start your engine in the morning, the time it takes that oil to reach your head and be thin enough for it to actually lubricate anything properly is tremendous. If you justify using that weight oil with extremely high miles on your engine' it's just more of a reason to be using a thinner oil. Over time your oil passages build up sludge and actually constrict. Thicker oil we have more pressure behind it on a gauge sure but the flow rates through the engine are very slow leaving critical engine parts unprotected for an extended period of time. If your engine has oil leaks and you use thicker oil thinking it will help, the obvious is fix the leak and not destroy the motor using too thick of oil.
I work for mobil1 and if I were you I would be using the synthetic 10w30, 0w30 or 0w40. And don't go off what you've heard my friend. Put the time in to find out for yourself. An excellent website to learn about oil and lubrication is Bobistheoilguy.com Hope I have helped you out
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0W-40 for vtec. Mobil 1, Shell, whoevs. The 0W means you don't need to wait for warm up and you have the VTEC response, the 40 will keep the oil from burning off. But you need a VTEC logbook to keep track of your consumption. Checking your dipstick every 500 miles to see what you burn off, with which grade.

IN THEORY, with the little mileage you have on your engine, good piston rings and you don't stay with VTEC engaged, you will burn about a pint between oil changes. If more, that logbook will come in handy.
Actually, that you dont have to wait for the engine to warm up is for the average get in your car and go common person. From and enthusiast stand point, yes you still need to wait for your engine to warm to some degree however with the 0 weight oils, the time it takes for the oil to be able to lubricate critical parts is less. Ask anybody with aftermarket motor mounts how long it takes for the oil to hit the head. You can literally feel it hit the head and quiet the motor down a bit. If i remember correctly, I think it's anywhere from 3 to 5 seconds that the head is not lubricated.
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So from what I understand from this thread, 0w-30 is best for our cars? (H22A1)
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I would start with common sense first, and go from there.
Never went a day without it, oh and btw, since u researched me before assuming, I dont have vtec... I just came along for the ride on this thread, and to learn about oil (but if u wanna go that route its all good)..
btw :Its the one with the common sense that doesnt get all butthurt....

but ya, even tho i dont have vtec, illl be going with a low weight high temp oil...
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Abstract, I didn't literally mean start the car and go, but the average person gives an automobile 15-45 seconds before moving, adjusting seat, mirrors, choosing radio station or mp3s, pull the wedgie out of their ass. Then go.

It's the people who can actually hear lifters , valve train etc etc with no oil AND move anyway. Prelude owners regardless 1gen-5gen let the oil do its work no matter what grade. Amirite?
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Abstract, I didn't literally mean start the car and go, but the average person gives an automobile 15-45 seconds before moving, adjusting seat, mirrors, choosing radio station or mp3s, pull the wedgie out of their ass. Then go.

It's the people who can actually hear lifters , valve train etc etc with no oil AND move anyway. Prelude owners regardless 1gen-5gen let the oil do its work no matter what grade. Amirite?
LoL yup good point my friend. Tho I have to admit. At my job I have extremely stupid customers who do crazy things. I always have to explain everything out to them. LoL It's like when you read the directions on how to toast a pop tart and the first directions are open the box and remove pop tart from aluminum packaging...
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Sorry to have been gone for awhile guys, got tied up these past couple days. Thanks for keeping the thread alive.. ive read everything so far.

Preciate the back up Static, i saw that guy get banned already! LOL


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You'd be surprised how Uncommon "common sense" is. 15W-40 is Turbo Diesel oil, and European grade oil (The Old German cars ran on it), not the best for light weight aluminum engines. Even after warm up, it's still thick. As far as feeling vtec engage that could be the Solenoid on its way out the door, or his other car has 300+hp, and pulls throughout the whole power band. Maybe he got a Numb butt.

So what's with the hostility?
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Thank you for this.. but then again, after reading articles upon articles, Mobil 1 has down graded their product.. meaning its not good as it once was..

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At no point in time should any oil in a 15w40 touch our engines... Every time you start your engine in the morning, the time it takes that oil to reach your head and be thin enough for it to actually lubricate anything properly is tremendous. If you justify using that weight oil with extremely high miles on your engine' it's just more of a reason to be using a thinner oil. Over time your oil passages build up sludge and actually constrict. Thicker oil we have more pressure behind it on a gauge sure but the flow rates through the engine are very slow leaving critical engine parts unprotected for an extended period of time. If your engine has oil leaks and you use thicker oil thinking it will help, the obvious is fix the leak and not destroy the motor using too thick of oil.
I work for mobil1 and if I were you I would be using the synthetic 10w30, 0w30 or 0w40. And don't go off what you've heard my friend. Put the time in to find out for yourself. An excellent website to learn about oil and lubrication is Bobistheoilguy.com Hope I have helped you out
Ive been to BITOG.. Really informative.. Amazing insight, thank you! But you are right about not to go off what others say, but if a lot of people of different back grounds and cars are saying the same thing, wouldnt it be true? I indeed tried Mobil 1 when i first got the lude, it responded well.. Then i went from that to Rotella T because what ive read, our engines like thicker oil.. Hope its not too late to change again since its Rotella is not very good for our engines. Hope my engine is not clogged.. :( ive been running Rotella for about 5-6 months now =/

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Abstract, I didn't literally mean start the car and go, but the average person gives an automobile 15-45 seconds before moving, adjusting seat, mirrors, choosing radio station or mp3s, pull the wedgie out of their ass. Then go.
i LOL'd so hard.. exactly what i do hahahahahaha except for the wait part 45 sec part.. i wait till its heats up all the way.. so i do a lil more ass pickin ;)

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LoL yup good point my friend. Tho I have to admit. At my job I have extremely stupid customers who do crazy things. I always have to explain everything out to them. LoL It's like when you read the directions on how to toast a pop tart and the first directions are open the box and remove pop tart from aluminum packaging...
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After MORE reading.. the 0w-40 has been recommended for a lot of different cars! Evo's etc.. Might just go that route..

Last question and ill buy more new oil tomorrow.. @Abstract or Sideswipe:

-- You both recommend 0w-40.. I went on the link Sideswipe gave me and i did the "choose what oil is best for you" link thats on the site and after puttting in the information they asked for, they recommended that i use 5w-30 High Performance oil.. Is 0w-40 just a better one to go with?
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The 5W-30 is fine if you never see 4500rpm. In a Honda. With VTEC. Also, Hondas, Nissans, Toyotas, basically non turbo or supercharged cars can move after 1-2 minutes. The engine isn't cast iron block anymore. The Forced induction engines need oil everywhere and waiting is just a safety measure. Read the recommended warm up time and be amazed.

Those oil grade calculators are made tooo generic. If you find the grade you want, buy it. If you know you need protection at 7500rpm, because that's when you shift, 0W-40 or 5W-40 if you live somewhere hot. Such a delicate balance, good enough to not burn off, but will not rob horsepower at the same time.
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Lets put it this way. The 0w40 will get to the top of the head quicker then the 5w30. However, at 212 degrees the oils weight, viscosity and flow rates are exactly the same. Either oil can be used. What I learned is that you want to use an oil weight that will give you 10psi for every 1000 rpms you are at. This is explained at the BITOG "oil university" i believe its called, section.
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Abstract believe it or not, I have never fully read one bob is the oil guy FAQ or Tutorial? Not that it doesn't have merit, but being someone that can walk into an auto mart, I just read the little pamphlets they used to have with the tire pamphlets (yup that's how old I am) and found out three things:

1. Recommended Oil Grades cover all the "bases" well, not specific applications
2. Specific Application Oil cover all your "bases" well as long as you know what they are
3. My argument is invalid, I don't know what my "bases" are.

My friends the turbo diesel people had to shine some light. They said Read the owner's manual. Did you know BMW, the ultimate driving machine people had 3 different grade recommendations in their OLD owners manual? A. Performamce, B. Balance, C. Winter Conditions! Like 1980's man! After reading that, and walking down the motor oil aisle, my eyes were opened! ROFL!

I still pick the balanced recommended, but understand the limitations, and not exceed them. Go PDF hunting for a 1986 325i manual you'll see!

EDIT: the two things I do respect from bob is the oil guy and amsoil

1.Stick to one oil company after the pretty colored bottles attract you
2.Use a great filter, with a anti-drain back valve*

*maybe even 2 filters, that's another topic
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