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Can't Pass SMOG

I have had my lude since October and have not been able to get it to pass.

I have had:

the cat replaced (after market since OEM does not seem to be available)
The valves done (they were really tight)
Timing checked (about to have it checked again)
ECU repaired
had a Test and Repair smog shop test everything and they say everything looks good and the EGR system works manually.

Everything passes but the NOx

25 mph it is around 400
15 mph it is around 1000 (needs to be at 700)

Any ideas please. I am at the point that if I can't smog this lude I am going to have to either part her out or try to sell her to someone who does not need smog.
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Re: Can't Pass SMOG

which cat did you get?

hows our
- distributor cap
- spark plugs & wires

ever cleaned your injectors?
sure that your exhaust doesnt leak?
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Don't know the exact brand of cat. The shop put in a California approved Cat. Distributor cap and wires seem fine. put in brand new platinum plugs ($25 each) when the cat was replaced. I put in fuel injector cleaner as soon as I got the car and have gone through that tank full and filled the tank up twice since.

Not sure about the exhaust leaks.

The Test and Repair facility said that it might be hairline fracture in the cylinder... wont affect performance but might affect the compression slightly and NOx levels. They also said the OEM cat had more metels that removed bad particles. When I take it back to the shop that did the timing (they are willing to recheck it for no charge) I will ask them to do compression checks to see if any cylinder is slightly off from the others.
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which cat did you get?

hows our
- distributor cap
- spark plugs & wires

ever cleaned your injectors?
sure that your exhaust doesnt leak?
x2. I would start with the cap and rotor. I would use NGK Iridium on your lude. Try running some SeaFoam on it.
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Re: Can't Pass SMOG

injectors should be ultrasound washed if you want to do it properly
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Re: Can't Pass SMOG

SEAFOAM !!!
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Re: Can't Pass SMOG

I will hunt down what SeaFoam is. never heard of it. Will also look at Cap and Rotor. Thanks for the suggestions.

Did some searches on YouTube and found which seems closet to a prelude. the first part is the SeaFoam part. gonna need to try that.

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Re: Can't Pass SMOG

There are some Prelude ones on youtube, just pour slowly to avoid hydrolock, that would be catastrophic...
If u have more questions about the procedure, I can paint a pic real easy. I got mine from napa, but many places from have it.

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Re: Can't Pass SMOG

Do you really put in in the Crank case where Oil goes??? I can understand the intake and the gas tank. just nervous about in the oil. How long should I wait before I change the oil after the treatment?
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Re: Can't Pass SMOG

right - up - in - thurr'
1/3 of bottle into crankcase first, yum yum.
next goes 1/3 into a full (important) gas tank, BAM !
Lastly, u shall give your intake manifold a bath (or, maybe an enema i guess, a car colonic ), brake booster or PCV line are both good, slurp !
alot of people say alot of different things about the time frame before draining your oil.
once i gave it about 300 km, and cleared out the gunk, and another time I ripped on it for about 60 km or so... I honestly had better results the time i kept the revs up while driving, I didnt let em fall too often.
p.s. Change your plugs after u seafoam, do not use the same ones, they will have been fried from "the treatment"....

Did they change the o2 sensor when they did the cat converter ?

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Re: Can't Pass SMOG

When the test and repair smog guys were looking at it they swapped out the O2 sensor and it had no change in the readings.

I have read in lots of places of different levels of gas. I currently have half a tank and am planning on swapping the plugs with cheaper plugs and doing the treatment on Saturday morning then getting the oil changed with synthetic oil after driving around for a bit. Swap the good plugs back in and then see if I pass smog. If all goes well I will pass smog.
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Re: Can't Pass SMOG

got my fingers crossed for your Lude...

Arrive at the testing facility with your engine piping hot, may help (in case u havent tried that)...

did u ever end up doing that comp test yet ?
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Re: Can't Pass SMOG

Comp test??? I had my ECU rebuilt. mailed it to Texas. They found bad capacitors in it and replaced them.

if you meant Compression test. nope. not yet. I want to give the Seafoam a try first and see if I can get it to pass. I can't do it anywhere near my house so I get to drive a ways to an industrial area then do the seaform, drive a bit, oil change, then back to the Test and Repair guys to see if I made any difference.
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Post a pic of your readings. I wanna see what you readings on all of them were. Sounds really like an exhaust leak
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exhaust leak
That sounds very suspect...
Im still learning here, and trial and error is the best way for me to do it. So here goes my question. If its an exhaust leak, do u mean its around the flex pipe, or before the o2 sensor somewhere, causing ECU to get a bad reading thus the chain of events ? or somewhere after the cat ...
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If its an exhaust leak, do u mean its around the flex pipe, or before the o2 sensor somewhere, causing ECU to get a bad reading thus the chain of events ? or somewhere after the cat ...
no matter where it is it messed up your readings
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Re: Can't Pass SMOG

Most of the time (as in what I see a lot) if your car is getting high Nox its because a lot of air is blowing back into your exhaust. The only way it really can get in there WHILE passing the sniffer part is if the down pipe where the resonator is at is well...cracked open. Down pipes are 1. Usually after the O2 sensor (that's why there's no change in readings) 2. Often smashed when your car hits a dip and 3. Hanging the lowest=more chances of getting torn up.

Go to an exhaust shop. Have them inspect it for an exhaust leak. They know what the leaks look like so don't give them a hard time. Have them either replace the brokem area or reweld it.
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Most of the time (as in what I see a lot) if your car is getting high Nox its because a lot of air is blowing back into your exhaust. The only way it really can get in there WHILE passing the sniffer part is if the down pipe where the resonator is at is well...cracked open. Down pipes are 1. Usually after the O2 sensor (that's why there's no change in readings) 2. Often smashed when your car hits a dip and 3. Hanging the lowest=more chances of getting torn up.

Go to an exhaust shop. Have them inspect it for an exhaust leak. They know what the leaks look like so don't give them a hard time. Have them either replace the brokem area or reweld it.
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Re: Can't Pass SMOG

I will be doing the treatment Saturday Morning, then take it to the smog shop. I will get the original readings and any other printouts they have of previous readings, including Saturdays. either way I will post them. Thanks for all the suggestions. Give me hope of coming to a resolution. I really love the Lude.
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I LOVE YOUR LUDE TOO !!! oh waitaminute i havent even seen it.....
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Re: Can't Pass SMOG

static420 here is the link to a post with some picture when I got her. Beauty - 94 VTEC SAGA

Did the seafoam and it made it run better. just not pass. swapped out the $20 double platinum plugs for $2 plugs. drove to a nice spot and did the 1/3 in vacuum. shut off car 1/3 in crank and 1/3 in gas tank. drank coffee and hung out for about 10 min. started it up and no white smoke. feel like I got given a line or somethng... Then went ofr a drive. ended up doing 210 miles with the rpms between 4k-6k and redlining it once in a while. Got an oil change with synth oil and swapped the plugs back to the double platinum.

anybody got a link to gear / rpms to mph. would like to check my tack to see if is anywhere near right.

Next task is to replace the leaking coolant hoses that leak onto the exhaust. The Exhaust was checked and it is not leaking.




Here are the requested Numbers from the latest failed smog:

M1: 15 MPH
RPM: 1897
%CO2 Measured 15.0
%O2 Measured .2
HC (PPM) MAX 88 AVE 40 Meas 23
CO% MAX .52 AVE .08 Meas .03
NO (PPM) MAX 704 AVE 169 Meas 1467


M1: 25 MPH
RPM: 2163
%CO2 Measured 14.8
%O2 Measured .1
HC (PPM) MAX 53 AVE 23 Meas 14
CO% MAX .50 AVE .06 Meas .00
NO (PPM) MAX 738 AVE 142 Meas 447

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wow ya she is nice, kinda like mine, LOTS of potential...
As far as the seafoam, ill put my utube channel link in here, you can see the first time i seafoamed, i hardly got any smoke as well, I didnt do it properly (i was pouring too slowly in the brake booster line, worried to hydrolock). Then i put another vid up and she smoked pretty well (cause i poured it in a little faster through the PCV valve, and let the engine bog down a bit, really get it in there and let it cook) I waited about 20 minutes on the 2nd attempt.

Just remember to pour at a nice rate, not tiny drops, but a very this steady stream, the LAAAAAAST thing u wanna do is submerge the PCV in liquid, dont suck it up like a straw.
But wait till she knocks and bogs and then limit the liquid, then bog some more, then a slow thin stream, and when you've had enough, kill the engine with a dosage, but dont drown her... let sit 15- 20

You can see the difference plain as day between my 1st and 2nd attempt..

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As for rpm's vs speed, u got an h22 with shorter gears than my h23, i wonder my self what the specs are, cause my first and second gear feel pretty damn short.

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So.. I just got word from the shop she finally passed smog. They had to fix all the water leaks under the intake manifold and while doing that they cleaned out all the jets and intake manifold. I put in about $3K to get her to pass smog. Glad I love the car. There is still more stuff to fix but at least I can finish the transfer process started in October. Thanks for all your suggestions
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So.. I just got word from the shop she finally passed smog. They had to fix all the water leaks under the intake manifold and while doing that they cleaned out all the jets and intake manifold. I put in about $3K to get her to pass smog. Glad I love the car. There is still more stuff to fix but at least I can finish the transfer process started in October. Thanks for all your suggestions
Well dont just tell us she finally passed. Document what all you did to get it to finally pass and complete this thread. Did you seafoam it?
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Pour a bottle of alcohol in a full tank and burn that will clean everything out !
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^^^^^ you should do that to your own car then try starting it after.
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