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Another Overheating thread. Advice.

I have a good understanding on how to go about overheating.

I have filled the coolant and bled the system. Changed thermostat about 15xxx miles ago. At a light my temp gauge goes one mark past half. It stays on for about a minute and goes away as a drive. On freeway it doesn't do it. Today it finally went two marks past half for about 30 seconds then went to normal. My fans kick on cuz I can feel/hear them at idle and when I turn on my heater they go on right away.

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I was thinking leak down test. Then if it is good. Get a Koyo radiator
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Re: Another Overheating thread. Advice.

have you ever flushed the coolant system. coolant systems are known for developing deposits that need to be flushed periodically. take a look at the fins on your radiator. if there are a LOT of them bent up, that could also cause the problem.
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Re: Another Overheating thread. Advice.

Yes when I changed my thermostat I flushed it out with a water hose until the fluid was clear. I just checked and my fins are good. I did see some spots under the car, idk if its coolant or not cuz it was asphalt so its hard to tell and smell lol but the coolant level is to the cap...
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Re: Another Overheating thread. Advice.

I suspect there's not enough flow through the system at low revs -- thus overheating at lights, but not at speed. How old is the water pump, and have you checked it for noise (bad impeller or bearings) and leaks? Look under the left side of the engine compartment while it's running or just after you shut down the engine, or look at the bottom of the pump housing to see if it's rusty.
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I suspect there's not enough flow through the system at low revs -- thus overheating at lights, but not at speed. How old is the water pump, and have you checked it for noise (bad impeller or bearings) and leaks? Look under the left side of the engine compartment while it's running or just after you shut down the engine, or look at the bottom of the pump housing to see if it's rusty.
Well I saw coolant under the left side (passenger side) but I figured it was cuz I spilled coolant everywhere while bleeding it. Where exactly is the water pump or these leaks you say?

Also, what kind of noise should I listen for?
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Re: Another Overheating thread. Advice.

Here's everything I've been through with my overheating problems, hopefully you'll come across something that helps you out;

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When overheating, should the fans stay on?

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Well I saw coolant under the left side (passenger side) but I figured it was cuz I spilled coolant everywhere while bleeding it. Where exactly is the water pump or these leaks you say?

Also, what kind of noise should I listen for?
That would be spillage -- I should have said "driver's side" (left side facing forward), which is where the water pump sits on the end of the engine, down low, driven off the timing belt. You can almost see it without jacking up the car.

If the impeller or the bearings are going bad, you may be able to hear the water pump rattle. If it's leaking from the bottom, the seal is probably going. A little weeping from the back of the pump is OK -- there are two weep holes back there.
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Yes when I changed my thermostat I flushed it out with a water hose until the fluid was clear. I just checked and my fins are good. I did see some spots under the car, idk if its coolant or not cuz it was asphalt so its hard to tell and smell lol but the coolant level is to the cap...
Did you flush the whole block including radiator or just the radiator?
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Re: Another Overheating thread. Advice.

I will check for my water pump leaking tomorrow. I might as well just replace the thing to be on the safe side. And there is fluid in my resevior, I filled it up but after checking it, it kinda seems low even though the radiator was filled the same time.

And I flushed the block as well. I'm getting a pressure tester today from auto zone. I'll post the results.
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I will check for my water pump leaking tomorrow. I might as well just replace the thing to be on the safe side.
Replacing the water pump requires pulling off the timing and balancer shaft belts, so if you replace the water pump, you may as well replace the belts if they're not very recent. That's why most mechanics replace the water pump when doing the timing belt, whether it needs it or not.
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Re: Another Overheating thread. Advice.

I tested with an IR thermo tonight. I did it while it was supposedly at normal op temp.
At upper radiator hose connector to the block ~ 210 at highest.
at upper radiator hose itself ~ 195 at highest.
Exhaust manifold ~ upward of 500 degrees lol

Fans did come on after a few minutes of idle.
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That would be spillage -- I should have said "driver's side" (left side facing forward), which is where the water pump sits on the end of the engine, down low, driven off the timing belt. You can almost see it without jacking up the car.

If the impeller or the bearings are going bad, you may be able to hear the water pump rattle. If it's leaking from the bottom, the seal is probably going. A little weeping from the back of the pump is OK -- there are two weep holes back there.
Well I put a UV light on the area where the water pump is. I saw some neon liquid right under the crankshaft pulley on some random bolt. But not the timing belt or pulley itself. Could that mean my water pump is leaking?
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Replacing the water pump requires pulling off the timing and balancer shaft belts, so if you replace the water pump, you may as well replace the belts if they're not very recent. That's why most mechanics replace the water pump when doing the timing belt, whether it needs it or not.
call me a newb, but is it possible to change the water pump without taking off the timing belt? I don't have the time or confidence to do so. I'm not mechanically inclined (I've only dropped one motor off a mk4) but I'd rather not attempt it alone.
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Without seeing what you're looking at, I couldn't say for sure. It could be.

It's not possible to change the water pump without removing the belts -- the pump is driven off one. That's why I brought it up...wanted you to know what you were in for.
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Might as well replace it your self its going to cost a lot taking it to the shop
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found a guy on craigslist who says a honda only specialist. 150 to replace water pump if I provide pump. sound good?
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Well I have decided to rent a compression tester. I don't see oil/coolant mixing but I can't take any chances of a warped head or block
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A friend and I replaced all my gaskets, including head, replaced timing belt and water pump at the same time, definitely not as hard as I thought it would be. Just had a manual and helped with everything.
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Take the time. clean out a shop (or a buddies shop) :D Buy a shop manual. go slow, put bolts on a clean surface as you take them off and keep everything in order the way you took it off. take pictures of every step if your really that worried about messing up and forgeting where things go. If you read the instructions, take your time, and work in a clean space with good lighting with the proper tools. you will do just fine.
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found a guy on craigslist who says a honda only specialist. 150 to replace water pump if I provide pump. sound good?
oh and he will come to me...
That's dirt cheap if he's any good! If it works, I may drive across the country for that rate.... :)
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lol yea, I might as well have him replace timing belt as well. :)

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Take the time. clean out a shop (or a buddies shop) :D Buy a shop manual. go slow, put bolts on a clean surface as you take them off and keep everything in order the way you took it off. take pictures of every step if your really that worried about messing up and forgeting where things go. If you read the instructions, take your time, and work in a clean space with good lighting with the proper tools. you will do just fine.
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