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How bad would it be to just swap springs and not struts.

Im picking up some nice lowering springs 2" drop.
And I know its highly reccomended to swap struts. Although im not in the $$ range to afford this.

It would be a daily driver. Not a race set up.

Just wondering how bad it is for my car just to swap springs.




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Re: How bad would it be to just swap springs and not struts.

I'm doing it! Ha 1.7 f and 1.5 rear though I think it just depens on how you drive and road conditions
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I did that. I put eibachs on a month ago or so and so far it's holding up fairly well.


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Re: How bad would it be to just swap springs and not struts.

i really wouldnt, but thats just me. If youre going to spend money on the suspension, just save up and replace the struts and springs (or save up a little more and get coilovers). Struts should be changed every 50k or so anyway.
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Re: How bad would it be to just swap springs and not struts.

When I did that awhile back it didn't feel too bad, but shocks meant for lowering paired with lowering springs really make a world of difference
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Re: How bad would it be to just swap springs and not struts.

Ive just heard of so much more stress on the struts n such. (blown ones too)
I havent worked with suspension on my cars yet. What would be a cheap option of struts to find? Keep in mind im very new at suspension and dont have a big view on it. There are adjustable ones correct? I assume more expensive?

Not going coilovers, alot of people I know they have noise, even from the expensive ones, and simply out of my budget.

Roads out here are fine, and i dont know wat to expect for snow this year.
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I have some crap springs with OEM struts and it doesn`t feel bad really. I bought the ludester like that :/ But anways if your going to do something do it right the 1st time man. I`m saving up and waiting for my shocks to go out. hhaha
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Re: How bad would it be to just swap springs and not struts.

You could get adjustable coilover selves skunk2, ground control Ive heard are pretty good.
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Re: How bad would it be to just swap springs and not struts.

im getting good quality springs, 180$msrp for 80$
just need some info on struts : D
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Tokico blues are affordable.
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WHY are you planning to do something if youre not able to make it right in first place??
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Re: How bad would it be to just swap springs and not struts.

plenty of people do this. It will give the desired effect, at a much cheaper price than a full coilover setup. Drawbacks include no adjustability, premature wear on other suspension components.
Of course it's better to do a coilover setup, but you have to work with what you can afford.
Good luck with the drop, keep us posted.
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Re: How bad would it be to just swap springs and not struts.

Its ok for a while, but dont expect your struts to last a long time.... i did it for a while and im doing ok, just avoid a lot of pot holes and your good... dont have a fat date lol
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Re: How bad would it be to just swap springs and not struts.

I had to change one of the upper ball joints almost every year when I had just lowering springs on my CB3 Accord
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Not going coilovers, alot of people I know they have noise, even from the expensive ones, and simply out of my budget.
noise? what kind of noise? i've never hear of anyone buying coilovers from a reputable company that experiences noise that is worthy of complaining about. every shock is gonna make some amount of noise (some more audible then others) upon rapid compression like going over a speed bump. but if you're getting other noises... either they bought cheep crap or... i dunno. so explain, what sort of noises?
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Re: How bad would it be to just swap springs and not struts.

clanking or creaking noises, althou that may have just been the sleeves and not a full swap, sorry thats what it may have been.

Thanks for the advice guys really appretiate it. The Tokico blues look good, but again not sure if i want to drop 200$+ for struts althou i should do it...
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clanking or creaking noises, althou that may have just been the sleeves and not a full swap, sorry thats what it may have been.

Thanks for the advice guys really appretiate it. The Tokico blues look good, but again not sure if i want to drop 200$+ for struts althou i should do it...
You'll want to drop 200+ struts. Lowering the car is one thing, improving it as well is a whole different animal.
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tokico's are on my list now..
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Re: How bad would it be to just swap springs and not struts.

I put tanabe springs with a 1.2 inch drop on my stock struts. A week l ater (normal driving) one my struts blew and leaked all its fluid out. I learned my lesson.
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i hated my car on stock struts, especially after i upgraded to tokico blues
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koni coils make the ride almost perfect
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Re: How bad would it be to just swap springs and not struts.

2 inches on stock dampers will most liking mean you are on the bump stops most of the time, which is not good for damper and cause understeer over bumps. You will need a damper that's body is shorter than the OE design. Koni, Bilstein, KYB AGX, and Tokico Illuminas are all shorter than OE.

The Koni's "Yellows" are probably one of the best twin tube replacement dampers. They are also grooved so that you can move the mounting point of the spring down. The best part about Koni's is that they are completely rebuildable, meaning if one ever goes bad, you can send them in and have them shortened, revalved to any spec, and can be converted to a double adjustables, meaning adjustments on both rebound and compression can be made.

The Bilstein sports are a bit more expensive and are non-adjustable, but they are a mono tube design meaning they work better in rough conditions than a twin tube. Also the sports are inverted in the body meaning less unsprug weight thus making the suspension more efficient. The Bilsteins can be rebuilt and revalved as well. But no shorting nor adjustable conversion can be done from Bilstein NA.

KYB and Tokico are not designed to be rebuilt, they are considered throw away dampers.
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Re: How bad would it be to just swap springs and not struts.

Thanks alot for the info guys!
Just tryin to find a set of 4 in the sub 300$ range thats local.

Just got a new set of BR Sport wheels for the car and they wuld set perfectly if i dropped it.



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I would do cut springs and wait to save up more money lol. That's just me though. Springs should be good enough.
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Screw that lol....
iv heard so many bad stories from doing that + whats the harm in putting in 200$ springs that i got for 80$
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Lol springs are good. Btw I cut my gc coils :) running fine still
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2 inches on stock dampers will most liking mean you are on the bump stops most of the time, which is not good for damper and cause understeer over bumps. You will need a damper that's body is shorter than the OE design. Koni, Bilstein, KYB AGX, and Tokico Illuminas are all shorter than OE.

The Koni's "Yellows" are probably one of the best twin tube replacement dampers. They are also grooved so that you can move the mounting point of the spring down. The best part about Koni's is that they are completely rebuildable, meaning if one ever goes bad, you can send them in and have them shortened, revalved to any spec, and can be converted to a double adjustables, meaning adjustments on both rebound and compression can be made.

The Bilstein sports are a bit more expensive and are non-adjustable, but they are a mono tube design meaning they work better in rough conditions than a twin tube. Also the sports are inverted in the body meaning less unsprug weight thus making the suspension more efficient. The Bilsteins can be rebuilt and revalved as well. But no shorting nor adjustable conversion can be done from Bilstein NA.

KYB and Tokico are not designed to be rebuilt, they are considered throw away dampers.
I can get a new set of KYB GR-2 for 310$ tax in.
What would they compare to the AGX's?
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Re: How bad would it be to just swap springs and not struts.

The GR-2s are a stock replacement damper made to replace blown/old OE units. They are valved slightly stiffer than the OE design. The GR-2 are the same dimensions as OE, so if you live in a bumpy area you will be hitting the bump stops and destroying the innards of the damper.

The AGXs are shorter than OE and are compression & dampen adjustable so if you change spring rates, wheel weights, ect. you can change the valving to your liking. They are comparable to the Koni yellow in performance, but are cheaper. The only problem is no way to rebuild, shorten, or revlave.

Why would you cut a Ground control coils AKA Eibach springs, you know they have all different dimensions of coils in all sorts of spring rates. Eibach springs are worth good money depending on spring rate and size some can fetch over $120 for a pair.
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Ah, so i need something thats as far away from OEM as possible.
compression and dampen adjustment preferably i see.
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Re: How bad would it be to just swap springs and not struts.

It depends on how low you want to go and what spring rates you want.

If you get springs that lower say around 1-1.5inches you can use a OE style but be aware that you are now closer to the bump stops. If you want to go lower than 1.5 you need something shorter that OE.

You can actually measure the amount of travel up and down you will need. But it requires taking the assembly apart. A good way to see how much of the shock you are using is to take the boot off the damper and put a zip tie around the rod, the zip tie, if tight, will stay in the highest part of the rod that was used.
This way you can measure the static length of the rod, which is the length of the rod when sitting still on the ground. Measure from static to full droop = the amount of droop you have. Measuring from the static to the bump stop = the compression amount. Then you can drive the car around like you normally would, and see were the zip tie ended up. Then you can measure up from that point up to the bump stop and say you can safely lower X.X inches. You can also gain a bit of compression travel by going for a stiffer and slightly shorter bump stop, as long as it does not allow the damper to bottom out internally. I was told this technique by a Koni engineer.

Droop dose not come in to play until you are thinking about shorting the damper, since as you shorten the damper you lose droop travel but gain bump. You want some droop so you don't pull a front wheel up around a corner.
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