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looking for the 4th gen experts!!!

sorry if you thought you were gunna learn something new....im working on my 92 prelude s build....i have JDM h22, h23, h22A4, and F22a1 parts. im planning on doing a frankenstien H2B swap....but my problem is i have never seen one to know how much power im gunna put to the wheels or to talk about reliability...so after having too many talks with my other car friends who insist on me throwin in a "NORTHSTAR V8" i want to see if ANY OF YOU PRELUDE EXPERTS KNOW OF A V6 OR VERY STRONG I4 THAT WILL SWAP INTO MY PRELUDE...[SIZE="1"] i know i will need to do alot of fab work...like relocate the mounts, electrical crap, etc..i just want some expert ideas as to a good engine i can put in that will make a 450WHP reliable with low amount of turbo psi......i am fairly new to the honda game....the only thing i have under my belt right now is i built my own F22 and swapped it into my prelude...other then lots of other mechanical and transmission stuff...thats about it......i also have only been in the prelude game for about 2 years...so keep that in mind when you wanna get smart with my post.....if you want more specific info just ask dont be a DOUCHE and sit for 30 min to come up with something clever to rip me apart
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the cost is not that much of an issue as me being able to do the swap is.....but 10K or less is what is ideal for cost
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Re: looking for the 4th gen experts!!!

honestly it sounds like you know what your doing.
low psi to get 450 isnt going to happen on f22 h23 or h22
and if you can, throw a northstar in there!!!!!! that would be awesome!
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Re: looking for the 4th gen experts!!!

there's no sense in doing an H2B in a prelude, that only exists for civ's and tegs. if you want it for the short gearing, just change the FD in whatever h22 tranny you got.
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What do you consider low PSI?
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the cost is not that much of an issue as me being able to do the swap is.....but 10K or less is what is ideal for cost
10k is likely enough to make a northstar work! lmao dude 450hp on low boost isn't going to happen on any honda motor, they aren't exactly built to have that high of an output right out of the box. Honda is probably the best at making the 100hp/liter mark in their motors, but all of them are relatively small motors and don't offer enough displacement along with the 100hp/liter mark. The biggest motor that Honda makes is a 3.7 liter and that makes 300hp out of the box. I say if you want to have high output and have a reliable motor, aim for a hp goal.

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honestly it sounds like you know what your doing.
low psi to get 450 isnt going to happen on f22 h23 or h22
and if you can, throw a northstar in there!!!!!! that would be awesome!
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Re: looking for the 4th gen experts!!!

u can swap a j35 into it. It can be done in a 5th so i see absolutely no reason y not in a 4th. but theres 300hp right there plus low boost n ur right there at ur goal. Would be difficult but possible
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Re: looking for the 4th gen experts!!!

the idea i was given with the northstar was to put it in the trunk and make it RWD...and as far as the 3.7 liter v6 honda makes which one are you talking about?....and the j35 is a SOHC not reliable shoving 450WHP to a single overhead cam.....any more input on this idea guys?
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the idea i was given with the northstar was to put it in the trunk and make it RWD...and as far as the 3.7 liter v6 honda makes which one are you talking about?....and the j35 is a SOHC not reliable shoving 450WHP to a single overhead cam.....any more input on this idea guys?
what do you consider low psi?
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How about a j32 type s? is it possible? I know it is in civics but what about a 4g prelude?

you could try a k24/k20
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Re: looking for the 4th gen experts!!!

Dude your so set on 400 whatever horsepowers. Look your not going to have that high of an output and have a reliable engine at the same time. The h22 and f22 as well as the suggested engines like the j35, j32, k20, k24 all range from 2 liters to 3.5 liters. At your goal your going to aim to make around 225hp/liter. The only reason you would want a car to be reliable is because it is going to be a street car or maybe even a daily driver. If it was going to be a track car you would be a lot less worried about reliability because racing tends to break cars extremely quickly. If you made your hp mark and your confident with the durability of the build then just ask yourself this, "Is this car streetable now that I have half the power of a formula one car being sent to my front wheels?". Keep in mind the safety of yourself and especially others if you do go through with the build and take the car on the street. I'm standing by my opinion that you are aiming too high and I feel that your goal is unrealistic.

If you want to make that much power easily and still have a reliable car, save the Prelude and go American.
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good luck on your search but the cost may be a problem.
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if you're gonna build for that much power, go rwd, or american like JoshuaaXD said
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Dude your so set on 400 whatever horsepowers. Look your not going to have that high of an output and have a reliable engine at the same time. The h22 and f22 as well as the suggested engines like the j35, j32, k20, k24 all range from 2 liters to 3.5 liters. At your goal your going to aim to make around 225hp/liter. The only reason you would want a car to be reliable is because it is going to be a street car or maybe even a daily driver. If it was going to be a track car you would be a lot less worried about reliability because racing tends to break cars extremely quickly. If you made your hp mark and your confident with the durability of the build then just ask yourself this, "Is this car streetable now that I have half the power of a formula one car being sent to my front wheels?". Keep in mind the safety of yourself and especially others if you do go through with the build and take the car on the street. I'm standing by my opinion that you are aiming too high and I feel that your goal is unrealistic.

If you want to make that much power easily and still have a reliable car, save the Prelude and go American.
how is 450WHP unreliable in a good V6 or V8?.....and also i put my H and F series parts on there so people know what im working with...but that does not mean im not willing to buy more engines/parts....i konw H22s are not gunna last long or be safe at my goal so that why im looking for V6 or V8 ideas......and as for low psi i plan to run around 8 psi but im willing to go to 12 to get the 450 mark....
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Dude if you really got the cash do a 2JZ swap or RB25DETT swap
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the idea i was given with the northstar was to put it in the trunk and make it RWD...and as far as the 3.7 liter v6 honda makes which one are you talking about?....and the j35 is a SOHC not reliable shoving 450WHP to a single overhead cam.....any more input on this idea guys?
my friend has the b16 which is sohc running at 20psi( i know not very low) but he's making 480whp on pump gas so i dont see why the j35 on lower psi couldnt do the same with the same reliability.
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my friend has the b16 which is sohc running at 20psi( i know not very low) but he's making 480whp on pump gas so i dont see why the j35 on lower psi couldnt do the same with the same reliability.
Exactly. Seeing that Oaks racing's H22 makes 872whp (obviously not low boost), 450whp shouldn't be that much of a challenge for a well tuned J35 motor.

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Whats wrong with single cam motors?

Everyone keep in mind the guy wants reliability, my idea of reliability means the motor wont fall apart every 200 feet. Meaning the car will be in good running condition over a period of a year or so without any major problems.

You being dead set on low boost is putting it all off on my end, imo its going to be high compression and you'll be attempting to run it on low boost which will end up with someone being impaled by your piston when it shoots out the side of the engine block.


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You being dead set on low boost is putting it all off on my end, imo its going to be high compression and you'll be attempting to run it on low boost which will end up with someone being impaled by your piston when it shoots out the side of the engine block.

Agreed SOHC motors started the game! they run and are less complex tham DOHC. My SOHC F22 is 223xxx and not burning a drop of oil knoking nothing like that.

I still want to know what he considers Low PSI. He can very well run Low PSI on a high comp motor. But if he does he will need QUALITY parts and a good tune.
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Re: looking for the 4th gen experts!!!

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Re: looking for the 4th gen experts!!!

I have a h22a4 im trying to drop in a 96 lude, what will i need. It has a f series in it now. And is it obd1or2
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