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Icon5 Questions on the 4th gen Lude please

I originally posted this in the new member section, but I realized that it should be under 4th gen.

Anyways, heres the deal.. I just sold my Integra (3rd gen GS-R), and am in the market for something different. I've been considering a 4th gen prelude, but I need some advice from you prelude veterans, so here are a few questions if you dont mind answering. Again these questions will apply to the 4th gens:

-Compared to the Integra (which I owned and loved for 2 years), wil I be disappointed in the way the lude handles? Is it as nimble when taking corners?

-Power wise, will the vtec model be quicker than the GS-R (170 hp DOHC VTEC).

-Is there a huge issue with Preludes being stolen like the Integra (which is one of the main reasons I sold mine, 2 attempts within 2 years)? Integras were being stolen every other day!

-What are some of the cons of owning a 4th gen Lude?

Why do so many other Honda owers have a disliking towards the prelude? People in the Integra/Civic crowd always hate on them, but are their complaints justified? I've heard that the prelude is heavier, but I cant see the 4th gen prelude being all that heavier than the 3rd gen teg.

Also, what are the major advantages in the 4th gen over the 5th?

That's all I can think of now, I will ask more later I just cant remember everything. Thanks
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Re: Questions on the 4th gen Lude please

All I can say is I like my prelude more than my buddy's gsr and yes it is very nimble around corners. I have the 4ws model so corners aren't an issue. The car does weigh more but not by much at all. Can't think of any con's seeing how it's a Honda all parts are a dime a dozen. Handles like a champ. Does come with more hp if you get the vtec model or just do a swap. There aren't any advantages from 4th to 5th but if you ask me the 5th gens look like an accord coup. I have a 92 si 4ws with a jdm h23 dohc vtec bluetop swap and I beat gsr's all the time without power shifting. Let us know any other info you might need to get something started. Good luck.
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Ok thanks for the info. Is there an issue with them being stolen like the integra? It was a major pain in the ass always having to be paranoid about thieves when I had my gsr. Couldn't park in mall parking lots, movies, etc..

Also, what is 4ws? And I read somewhere about the prelude having a faulty traction control system that breaks often, is this true? Which model has the h22 vtec, the si?
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Re: Questions on the 4th gen Lude please

Dude, as long as your tuning imports you'll always have to be paranoid about them being boosted. I went and shaved my door handles and put a supremely sensitive alarm on with the battery moved to a new location.
Get proactive on protecting your car via good alarm systems and anti-theft components and you'll be much happier all around.
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Re: Questions on the 4th gen Lude please

I have clutch and brake pedal locks, quick release steering wheel, fuel cutoff switch, alarm, etc.

Had 2 attempted thefts on the teg. Ppl steal those ****in cars like theyre going out of style. That's why I sold it. As much as i loved my gsr it was too much of a liability and the hassle wasn't worth it.
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Re: Questions on the 4th gen Lude please

So I have a 4G and a 5G. 2 of my friends had tegs a 97 and 01 I believe whatever the last year was. My 4D only has header, exhaust, intake, and the short shift adapter and as far as quick it took the tegs EVERY time! Car theft just happens... I love the H22A1 in the 4G way more fun to drive and it seems like more get up and go. I love the round supra look of it as well. Now my 5G is just slick. It's a very smooth ride granted it's complete stock. When you get into an H22 they do burn oil so you have to keep up on it. I like how my Preludes handle over an integra ANYDAY!! Go test drive both. If I had the time and money i'd swap my A1 into my 2001. Oh and they are a bit heavier but totally worth it!
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Re: Questions on the 4th gen Lude please

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So I have a 4G and a 5G. 2 of my friends had tegs a 97 and 01 I believe whatever the last year was. My 4D only has header, exhaust, intake, and the short shift adapter and as far as quick it took the tegs EVERY time! Car theft just happens... I love the H22A1 in the 4G way more fun to drive and it seems like more get up and go. I love the round supra look of it as well. Now my 5G is just slick. It's a very smooth ride granted it's complete stock. When you get into an H22 they do burn oil so you have to keep up on it. I like how my Preludes handle over an integra ANYDAY!! Go test drive both. If I had the time and money i'd swap my A1 into my 2001. Oh and they are a bit heavier but totally worth it!
yeah I'm looking into getting a 4g as I just think they look a lot better than the 5g prelude. Also I think the 5g front end is hideous, no offense just my opinion.
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Re: Questions on the 4th gen Lude please

Oh I agree. I wanted a 4g before I could drive then traded my accord on it when I was 18. Had it since 03. I never ever thought I would get the 01 but after having it I'm totally in love. I got it though with only 62K and I couldn't pass it up. I'd be careful buying a moded prelude as people can really ruin the suspension and engine if things aren't done correct.
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Re: Questions on the 4th gen Lude please

I'd suggest the the 96 Vtech or like 94 4WS. Mines 96 last year best model in my opinion
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Re: Questions on the 4th gen Lude please

I've owned a 2001 gsr and 2 4th gen ludes, so I'll chime in...answers in red:
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Compared to the Integra (which I owned and loved for 2 years), wil I be disappointed in the way the lude handles? Is it as nimble when taking corners? the 4th gen handles better, you won't be disappointed

-Power wise, will the vtec model be quicker than the GS-R (170 hp DOHC VTEC). 4th gen vtec is quicker @ 190 hp, Si may be quicker (160 hp but more torque I believe)

-Is there a huge issue with Preludes being stolen like the Integra (which is one of the main reasons I sold mine, 2 attempts within 2 years)? Integras were being stolen every other day! I would say not as bad as integras, but have an alarm anyway

-What are some of the cons of owning a 4th gen Lude? NONE!

Why do so many other Honda owers have a disliking towards the prelude? People in the Integra/Civic crowd always hate on them, but are their complaints justified? I've heard that the prelude is heavier, but I cant see the 4th gen prelude being all that heavier than the 3rd gen teg. they hate bc they're jealous

Also, what are the major advantages in the 4th gen over the 5th? 4th is like half a second quicker 0-60, little lighter, and def sexier
I've owned a couple civics, a gsr, and 2 4th gen ludes. The lude has def been my favorite.
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Re: Questions on the 4th gen Lude please

Always an alarm!! I've a sick Clifford I got a long time ago. You can program them now to open windows, open sunroof, start radio or ac, etc. I also have a remote start, shhhhh, don't reccomend it with manual since its kind of illegal and your car can take off if left in gear.... But I couldn't lie without remote start in the winters... It totally ****s off the car if someone where to try and drive it too.
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Re: Questions on the 4th gen Lude please

hey whats up.. my sister had a GS-R and her husband had maybe 4 or 5 different GS-R's so im used to being around GS-R's lol. the non vtec 4th gen pretty much has the same power of the integra vtec motor. with the vtec h22 motor you will never be let down. i wouldnt give up my prelude for an integra even if someone paid me to. as for the rest of the honda world hating on preludes its because their little pussy 1.6 non vtec 70whp motors are garbage
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Re: Questions on the 4th gen Lude please

Thanks for all the good advice. The only thing I don't like about the 4th gens looks is.that the sunroof is he color of the rest of the exterior. Are they all like that?
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Re: Questions on the 4th gen Lude please

Pretty much but thats why u mod it to a 5th gen sunroof along with 5 lugs. That seems to be what all Luders do....
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Re: Questions on the 4th gen Lude please

Given my 4th gen is completely stock, I will answer your questions in a way that doesn't take into consideration any performance modifications.


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-Compared to the Integra (which I owned and loved for 2 years), will I be disappointed in the way the lude handles? Is it as nimble when taking corners?

My best friend has a 2001 GSR and every time we work on my Prelude he's amazed at how large the stock stabilizer bars are. I have a '95 VTEC and, yes it's about 300lb heavier than his (2900lb Prelude vs 2600lb Integra IIRC), but I recently took it to the mountains for the first time specifically to see how it corners and I was amazed considering it's stock. There's a reason 4th gens are popular Auto-X cars.

-Power wise, will the vtec model be quicker than the GS-R (170 hp DOHC VTEC).

Given the weight difference, they're gonna be pretty similar. 4th gear in mine is uncannily aggressive so that makes it pretty fun on the highway, whereas the TQ specs are much higher than any B16 or B18 so the low end on the H22 will almost always hop of the line a little quicker. 225/15's on the stock rims sure don't hurt the launch capabilities either ;)

-Is there a huge issue with Preludes being stolen like the Integra (which is one of the main reasons I sold mine, 2 attempts within 2 years)? Integras were being stolen every other day!

I was worried about this too. I'm in Albuquerque, New Mexico where illegal immigration promotes car theft (they hop back across the boarder and POOF no more car EVER). I haven't had any problems whatsoever parking outside in my apartment complex, but I have invested in an alarm and am working on installing a killswitch too. I always take the stereo face off too just so there's no temptations for people lookin in the windows. I'm just as cautious as possible and keep the theft/vandalism insurance in place.

-What are some of the cons of owning a 4th gen Lude?

H22/H23 is the essentially big block of Honda, not as versatile, and a little more expensive to upgrade than a B-series engine. 4th gen interiors are as unique as they get but if you **** up your interior door bezzel or your cup holder cover, good luck finding another one cuz EVERYONE breaks theirs.

-Why do so many other Honda owers have a disliking towards the prelude? People in the Integra/Civic crowd always hate on them, but are their complaints justified? I've heard that the prelude is heavier, but I cant see the 4th gen prelude being all that heavier than the 3rd gen teg.

Jealousy, my friend. Go test drive one ;)

-Also, what are the major advantages in the 4th gen over the 5th?

Timeless design and body lines, 4th gens are a bit lighter, and the weight distribution is a popular reason.

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I've been considering a 4th gen prelude, but I need some advice from you prelude veterans....
I've been living with an early 4th gen for almost 20 years, and raced it for much of that time, so:

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On an autocross course, the only Integras I worried about were Type Rs...and those only because of the limited-slip diff.

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-Power wise, will the vtec model be quicker than the GS-R (170 hp DOHC VTEC).
A little.

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I don't think so much anymore. Back when swapping H22s into Civics was every ricer's wet dream, the VTEC cars all had big bulls-eyes on them.

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-What are some of the cons of owning a 4th gen Lude?
You'll never have more than one person ask you for a ride. (On the other hand, than may not be a con.) You'll also develop a double-jointed elbow from reaching back into the center console, because there's no glovebox.

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Why do so many other Honda owers have a disliking towards the prelude? People in the Integra/Civic crowd always hate on them, but are their complaints justified? I've heard that the prelude is heavier, but I cant see the 4th gen prelude being all that heavier than the 3rd gen teg.
Around 2900 lbs, give or take.

As for the complaints, who wouldn't complain when their modified Civic gets waxed by a box-stock Prelude? :)

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Also, what are the major advantages in the 4th gen over the 5th?
100-200 lbs, depending on how it's equipped. They're largely the same car with a different skin. 4th gens look like no other Prelude built; Honda went on a styling bing with all their cars in the early '90s. When I bought mine, I had people stopping me on the street to ask what it was...even now, plenty of people won't believe it's nearly 20 years old. 5th gens just never got that sort of notoriety.

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Also, what is 4ws? And I read somewhere about the prelude having a faulty traction control system that breaks often, is this true?
Four-wheel steering, which was available '92-'94 (or was it '95?). In the U.S. and Canada, that was only an option for the H23-powered cars (non-VTEC).

There's no traction control -- the problem you're refering to is probably the 4WS system. The control unit is in the trunk, and over the years, heat and vibration take their toll -- eventually, the solder connections crack. Enterprising DIYers pull apart the unit and re-solder them...I have a 2ws car, so couldn't tell you if that's easy or not. The 4ws cars aren't all that common, though, so it's not as if dealing with it is mandatory.

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Which model has the h22 vtec, the si?
Si VTEC, or from '94 on, just VTEC. In truth, there's little real performance difference between the H23-powered Si and the H22-powered Si VTEC unless you're drag racing it (and even then only if you have good 60-ft times). Except for the head, the two engines are nearly identical, and the only difference in the underpinnings is the VTEC cars have larger front brakes (which the Si could use...).

By all means, look for a car with an H22; just don't let the engine stop you from getting a really clean car if you find an H23 car first.
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