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H22a timing questing

ok so im helping diamond_lude with his H22a and we have ran into a road block. The gears are at an angle instead of being straight up.




If we start the car will it result in a tragedy or will we be ok? Any info would be great thanks
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Re: H22a timing questing

yea defently would not be good if ya tried to crank that over. the timing has to be spot on, if not the valves would be opend to early and the piston will smash them.
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yea defently would not be good if ya tried to crank that over. the timing has to be spot on, if not the valves would be opend to early and the piston will smash them.
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Re: H22a timing questing

H22s are none interference motors so it will not hurt it unless you don't have a timing belt on at all and try to start it.. i just did the timing on my H23a bluetop and the timing was off somewhat like yours. I just took off the one that was off and align it with the other one that was correct put the timing belt back on and it crank right up with no problem. Just be sure to have help cause that tensioner is a pain trying to hold that belt...
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H22s are none interference motors so it will not hurt it unless you don't have a timing belt on at all and try to start it.. i just did the timing on my H23a bluetop and the timing was off somewhat like yours. I just took off the one that was off and align it with the other one that was correct put the timing belt back on and it crank right up with no problem. Just be sure to have help cause that tensioner is a pain trying to hold that belt...
NO NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOO! THIS is not correct! The h22 IS an Interference engine!
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H22s are none interference motors so it will not hurt it unless you don't have a timing belt on at all and try to start it.. i just did the timing on my H23a bluetop and the timing was off somewhat like yours. I just took off the one that was off and align it with the other one that was correct put the timing belt back on and it crank right up with no problem. Just be sure to have help cause that tensioner is a pain trying to hold that belt...
definately not true. if that were the case than i wouldnt bother changing my timing belt. i would just let it got and change it as needed.
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Re: H22a timing questing

Dude I just did my timing belt on my H23a vtec and tried to crank it not knowing the timing was off and nothing happen to my motor and this was not the first time I done the timing on a H22.. I did a head job and the timing was off on a H22a I done years back and nothing happen so Im speaking from experience.. If the timing belt comes off thats a different story...
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Re: H22a timing questing

very simply put, if the valve can descend lower than the highest point of the piston, it is an interference motor.
if the valve does not descend lower than the highest point of the piston it is a non interference motor. just because you put a timing belt on wrong and didnt wreck your engine doesnt mean that its a non interference motor. it means that you didnt do it wrong enough for the valves to actually interfere with the pistons. make no mistake, the h22 and h23 as well as countless other honda motors are interference motors and the timing belt and timing on these are incredibly important.
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Re: H22a timing questing

OK well I redid it today and when the belt tensioned up its still 1 tooth off. How do i keep the cams from slipping on the belt? I alrdy tried using zip ties....helped but like i said im still off by a tooth. Any ideas? All help is greatly appreciated
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Re: H22a timing questing

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very simply put, if the valve can descend lower than the highest point of the piston, it is an interference motor.
if the valve does not descend lower than the highest point of the piston it is a non interference motor. just because you put a timing belt on wrong and didnt wreck your engine doesnt mean that its a non interference motor. it means that you didnt do it wrong enough for the valves to actually interfere with the pistons. make no mistake, the h22 and h23 as well as countless other honda motors are interference motors and the timing belt and timing on these are incredibly important.
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Dude I just did my timing belt on my H23a vtec and tried to crank it not knowing the timing was off and nothing happen to my motor and this was not the first time I done the timing on a H22.. I did a head job and the timing was off on a H22a I done years back and nothing happen so Im speaking from experience.. If the timing belt comes off thats a different story...
yours was prolly only off one tooth, which won't result in engine damage. i would know since the first time i did my t-belt mine was off one tooth, and the engine ran like complete shiit, but still ran.
when my H23 skipped about 4 teeth, guess what happened...... the VALVES slammed INTO the pistons!!!
i have pics of the top of the pistons, if you'd like to see.
so please stop spreading false info saying they AREN'T interference engines, when they CLEARLY are!




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ok so im helping diamond_lude with his H22a and we have ran into a road block. The gears are at an angle instead of being straight up.




If we start the car will it result in a tragedy or will we be ok? Any info would be great thanks

you shoulda turned the crank about 30 more degrees so the arrows were pointing STRAIGHT up. when the arrows are straight up, there are two dents/markings 90 degrees away from the arrows that shoulda been pointing to each other.

to prevent the cams from turning, on the cam itself is a big hex bolt looking thing (can't think of the name of it ) but its perfect to fit a box wrench around.

i'm at work right now so i can't see the vid :-/
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yours was prolly only off one tooth, which won't result in engine damage. i would know since the first time i did my t-belt mine was off one tooth, and the engine ran like complete shiit, but still ran.
when my H23 skipped about 4 teeth, guess what happened...... the VALVES slammed INTO the pistons!!!
i have pics of the top of the pistons, if you'd like to see.
so please stop spreading false info saying they AREN'T interference engines, when they CLEARLY are!







you shoulda turned the crank about 30 more degrees so the arrows were pointing STRAIGHT up. when the arrows are straight up, there are two dents/markings 90 degrees away from the arrows that shoulda been pointing to each other.

to prevent the cams from turning, on the cam itself is a big hex bolt looking thing (can't think of the name of it ) but its perfect to fit a box wrench around.

i'm at work right now so i can't see the vid :-/
When I positioned everything the arrows were straight lol. They moved when i rotated the crank. Ill go look for that hex thing tho. The work isnt actually that hard but timing is a bitch haha. I can have everything torn apart n put back in 20-30 min. been workin on timing for a few days now tho lol. Thanx for the advice. whenn u get a chance to look at the video thats how it is right now. lemme know what u think. Thanx again for takin a look bro I appreciate ti
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