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Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

Hi all. Im here today asking for all honda enthusiast help and knowledge. I got this vehicle for just more than a year now. It was a good car up until 2 days ago.

Here is what happened. I was on my way to the shop to get a bottle of milk. Went to park the car and when i came back, trying to start it and nothing happened. So got it towed back home lucky i had a 4wd and it wasnt far from where i live. Anyway this is the symptoms.

Won't start
No clicking noise from main relay
Fuel pump not priming
check engine light is solid

Ok so u think its MAIN RELAY? I thought that too straight away without any second doubt. So i ordered a new one as i didnt bothered checking it but when i plug the new MAIN RELAY turn the ignition on and still nothing no changes. I checked if there is power going to the fuel pump (terminal 7) unfortunately nothing. the check engine light still SOLID on. Checked fuses and nothing is blown. Also did a diagnos and nothing is coming up and CEL remains solid. I did a test on the fuel pump with jumper from terminal 5 & 7 and it seems to work ok. All i can think of now is replacing the ECU.The battery has 12.4v It will turn over but wont start, it is very frustrating. Any information to what you think will be greatly appreciated. Please help.
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

I had a problem like that, and those 3 things came to my mind, mine came out to be just the switch, have to move ,shake, the key when this happened. But I would hear a clicking noise under the dash when this would happen.
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Distributor? Spark plugs? Spark plug wires? Always start cheap and work your way up.
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

I still think the main relay. No power to the pump and no click from the relay...It has happened (many a time) that a "new" part fails lol. Just take the old one apart, and resolder the connections.
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

Where did you buy the relay? I bought one at Auto ZOne and while it appeared to be the correct one.. and even fit the socket pattern.. it tested COMPLETELY opposite of what it was supposed to be.

Download the user manual and search for Main Relay Test. It sounds like that may VERY well be your issue. --or one of them anyways.

the other issue I have had was what Johhny brought up... the Rotor in the Dist cap could be toast as well. If you have over 10K miles on that Dizzy/Rotor combo you might as well replace it. Remember to use Thread Lock when installing the screw in the rotor!
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

what code is the check engine light pulling, that may be a hint. didn't blow your 100 amp battery fuse right? haha happened to me with same symptoms...
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

if it was the main fuse relay, then the car would turn over. it just wouldnt start. i had that problem.
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

Thanks guys for the response i really appreciate it. All fuses are fine none of them are blown. Distrubutor cap, diss etc have been replace not so long ago.I bought the relay from a HONDA DEALER itself. When i did the diagnos nothing is coming up besides the CEL stays on solid. Im running out options.
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

I practically strip down the whole dash just to trace the wires coming from the main relay but all the wires seems to be ok. replaced my negative cable today and still no luck. Im thinking maybe i should go and buy a gallon of gas and light the damn thing. LOL im just really mad of this car at the moment. I know i can fix it with everyones help. Patience is the game.
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

Do as mister eludeauthority said, pull the code.
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

When i do the code diagnos, the CEL stays on it doesnt blink. im guessing no codes?
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When i do the code diagnos, the CEL stays on it doesnt blink. im guessing no codes?
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

Thanks ELUDEAUTHORITHY. I did try pulling the codes but unfortunately nothing is coming up. I also tried both 2P and 3P still not blinking or turning off. CEL still stays on. I believe i have a faulty ECU.
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hmm that's strange you can't pull the code(s). definitely haven't heard of a complete ecu going bad before though.
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

I'm having the same problem. I just purchased another Prelude for my girlfriend (92 Prelude S Auto F22). I have owned a few Ludes and my girlfriend wanted a second car to mess with.

My issue: No Fuel (pump wont even prime), No Spark, Green D4 light blinking on dash. I did a lot of work today on this car. I replaced all of the fuses just to be sure, I replaced the main relay, I replaced the ECU and TCU and still have nothing. We got the car 3 weeks ago and it was stolen last week. The ***holes jumped a wire from the ECU fuse to try to reinstall a new radio as we took the face off of ours before they jacked the car. Car wouldnt start at the impound, got towed and once home I replaced the blown ECU fuse. Car ran great for 3 hours and then got home and put a new CD player in the car, After install the car started and ran perfect. Shut the car off and tried to start again and nothing. D4 green blinking light on dash and cranks but will not turn over. I feel like I have replaced everything that would cause the type of issue I'm having but I need some help, tips or advise from other lude owners.
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

i would change my spark plugs and wires and if that doesnt work.. did you check out your starter? mine did that when my starter went
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

New plugs, new wires and new dizzy. Just jumped the TCU diag harness and found 2 codes. HELM manual states code 11 is possible faulty ignition coil or short in wire between TCU and ignition coil. Code 14 is short is wire from ECM, causes hard shifting. I think I figured it out but it is 20 degrees and Im tired of messing with it tonight. Hoping I wont need to trace short in wire from TCU to ignition coil.

Thanks for the advice and will update tomorrow when I have more light and heat to work in.
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

It is very strange because i have power on everything else but the fuel pump. No matter what i do, i couldn't pull any codes. I replaced plugs and spark plugs not so long ago. ALso did a starter check it seem to crank when i jump test it. It's also the last thing i want to replace is the ECU as they dont come cheap. Ill get much information as i can before replacing it though.
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

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It is very strange because i have power on everything else but the fuel pump. No matter what i do, i couldn't pull any codes. I replaced plugs and spark plugs not so long ago. ALso did a starter check it seem to crank when i jump test it. It's also the last thing i want to replace is the ECU as they dont come cheap. Ill get much information as i can before replacing it though.
Did you check your clutch engagement switch yet (upper left switch on the peddle)? The switch provides the ground for the relay to engage. I had the same problem when the clutch was against the floor and nothing happened when the key was turned over. There is a small plastic plug on the peddle that the switch makes contact with, mine fell out and is lost. I placed a flat head bolt there for now, until I find another one at the junk yard. Car cranks and fires everytime now. Simple check before you go and replace the ECU.
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Hey PROJECT certainly ill go and check. Ill let you know.
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PROJECT i've just checked it, it is broken. I went to push it while trying to turn it to ignition but unfortunately nothing happened. Do i need to put metal piece to stop it going thru the hole?
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

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PROBLEM FIX.....The problem of the vehicle was my ICM. Most of the wires inside distributor were strips out cause it to short and not providing current to the fuel pump.Strange thing to happen but it did. Also ive replaced my ECU as i couldnt pull out any codes, CEL stays on solid. Since the replaced of ECU + whole DISTRIBUTOR the problem was fix. Also if your radiator fan doesnt work, i suggest you check the "BLACKBOX" next to the ECU. this is one frustrating experience but its well worth it at the end. Thanks guys.
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

my radiator does not work and i want to know more about this "blackbox". what is it for and what does it do?
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

Hi all,
Since I l,ast posted my bro has had the fuel pump and the main relay replaced. The car is running okay but he is still having intermittent problems starting it. Any other suggestions?

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if its not cranking it may be the starter motor. when they start to go bad it starts with random not starting. when it happens go to the engine bay and hit the starter with a hammer, trust me it works lol
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

I had this problem check the coil pack and make sure you have a soild connection
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Hmm, my bro thinks its something to do with the exhaust system. he described it as almost like the car has asthma. Its not the best analogy but its accurate. whatever it is is causing the check engine light to go on. Any ideas?
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Re: Honda prelude GEN4 h23a1 main relay, fuel pump or ECU?

I forgot one other things briefly during the drive home last night my brother and I both heard a high pitched noise like a whistling or whining for a few moments.any ideas what this might be.
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