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I just wired up some universal fogs, and mounted the switch behind my E-break on one of those little tabs. Anyway, the supply wire to the switch is hooked up in the fuse box under the hood and it works fine and all, but the problem is, it still gives the switch power when the car is off. And I killed my battery three times today because I bumped the switch to the ON position without knowing when getting out of the car.
So all I'd like to know is if there's a spot, or wire that I can run the supply wire to the switch that will give it power when the car's on, but won't have power when the car's off.
*like a spot that's hot when the car's on, but neutral when the key's out of the ignition.*

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I'm going to go see if I can find what you're talking about, I'm guessing there's a wire that's yellow with black on it that I will splice in to, to wire the supply wire to, right? This will give enough power to the fogs, without damaging any electrical devices? Sry, not pro on wiring.

Thank you for the help.

*UPDATE* I found it, and spliced into it and hooked the supply wire to it, it works perfect now, thank you.
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Re: Need a hot wire that's not hot when car's off

you can do what he said which would mean you would have to take the clamshell of the stearing coulumn off and splice into that wire. Bad thing about that is the ignition wire off that is usually a high current wire and sometimes you have to have a larger gauge wire. coming from someone who use to work at a car audio shop and has done remote starts/ stereo installs, it is usually better to go to the ignition wire behind the radio or some other remote turn on. much safer if you don't really know what your doing.
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Okay, now that you have my attention, and I'm scared of turning them on again.. where would you recommend me hooking up the supply wire to? I still want the switch power to die when the key's out of the ignition. Is there any spot that's safer? I have a 15 fuse on the supply wire that's ran off the black and yellow ignition wire. I thought that might help, the fuse would blow before it had the chance to cath fire.
I'd greatly appreciate it if you could recommend a safer spot to run the supply wire from.

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Probably be safer to wire it up so your buzzer goes off with the lights on and the door open just like with your headlights
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Probably be safer to wire it up so your buzzer goes off with the lights on and the door open just like with your headlights
Yeah, I thought about that, just not sure of how to do that. I'm looking more torwards a wire or something that goes on and off with the car. tempted to just get a new switch that has a cover, so I can't accidently bump it. Or re-locate the switch, last resort.
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The link I provided has a diagram for safely wiring up your fog lights. it is ESSENTIAL that you use a relay for any device that pulls such hi amperes.

here is the simplest way i can explain how to do what you want to do: (copied from that link)

1- Fuse at 18" OR LESS from Battery
2- From fuse run to terminal 30 on SPDT 12V Relay
3- Terminal 86 to ground
4- Terminal 85 to 12V switch
4a- Feed side of switch to any 'Keyed' 12V source ("keyed" means it is only on when the key is in the run position)
5- Terminal 87 to (+) side neon transformer
6- Terminal 87a NOT used- cap off with an insulated connector to prevent shorts to ground

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a relay is the right way of doing things but if you look at your fuse panel theres some open spots that are i believe 2 constant 12v and 1 switched 12v meaning one is to your ignition and the other are just battery powered.... the cheap easy quick way is to run your + wire from the switched part in your fuse panel and put a fuse able link in it... then its some what safe but really just get a relay...... i guess the only way to find out is to do it and see what happends lol
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I just hooked mine up to a switch like all my lighting makes it easier
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Ok People... NO MORE posts saying "Just power your fog lights through a switch."
Because what you are recommending is dangerous, yes DANGEROUS, as in a severe fire hazard, I will have to negative rep you. MUST I copy and paste the relay thread over here? I swear to GAWD these threads pop up every 6 months and it is a Battle from hell to quell the same BS some know-it-all posts.
HELL! I expect the op to question me and make me prove my self.

You find me a 12 volt switch that can SAFELY and Properly Handle the 12 VDC Current required to turn your lights on and I will show you a switch the size of your ashtray!

WITH That being said... there is a safe, efficient, and not only PROPER but THE WAY, to do this. Use the schematic above..PLEASE! The part that says a "Keyed 12V power source" can be a fuse-able tap (google it) off your radio fuse in the under dash fuse box. (Justin said this too!)

Oh william, you DO Realize that "Just a Switch" in your car controls a relay and or a "coded response" through your cars ECU....right?
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Ok People... NO MORE posts saying "Just power your fog lights through a switch."
Because what you are recommending is dangerous, yes DANGEROUS, as in a severe fire hazard, I will have to negative rep you. MUST I copy and paste the relay thread over here? I swear to GAWD these threads pop up every 6 months and it is a Battle from hell to quell the same BS some know-it-all posts.
HELL! I expect the op to question me and make me prove my self.

You find me a 12 volt switch that can SAFELY and Properly Handle the 12 VDC Current required to turn your lights on and I will show you a switch the size of your ashtray!

WITH That being said... there is a safe, efficient, and not only PROPER but THE WAY, to do this. Use the schematic above..PLEASE! The part that says a "Keyed 12V power source" can be a fuse-able tap (google it) off your radio fuse in the under dash fuse box. (Justin said this too!)

Oh william, you DO Realize that "Just a Switch" in your car controls a relay and or a "coded response" through your cars ECU....right?

LilMsPrelude, I couldn't agree more on using a relay, I'm just not sure of how it all works yet. And my question is, if i were to run the power from the battery terminal, with a 15 fuse on the + wire, and then to the relay, and then from the relay to the switch, it would be safe as in no risk of fire. But I want the switch to lose power when I take the key out of the ignition.
*Instead of running the + wire from the battery terminal, where would you recommend me running the wire from, so that the switch won't have constant power even when the key's out of the ignition.*
Because right now I have the + wire in the fuse box inside the car on the defrost fuse spot, cause it loses power when the car's off.
Would I be able to run the + wire off the defrost fuse spot, with a 15 fuse on the + wire for extra, and to a relay, and then to the switch?

I understand your diagram shows the proper way to run a switch, but it's not the way i'm doing it, cause it would still give power to the switch if i ran the + wire off the battery terminal, which i don't want.
I'm sry, my main question is. "Where can I run this + wire from, that will lose power when the key's out of the ignition?"
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I know this seems confusing, and this is why I STRONGLY advise you to go read the thread about relays and really get the concept in your head. I say that because of this statement,
" I understand your diagram shows the proper way to run a switch, but it's not the way i'm doing it, cause it would still give power to the switch if i ran the + wire off the battery terminal, which i don't want."

you will use a fuse tap off the interior fuse panel. Preferably the one marked "Radio"
This is a power source that is off when the key is off. Thusly meeting your requirements.

ALL this signal/power wire is doing is supplying 12V to the positive side of the coil in the relay. It is not feeding your fog lights in any way.

a relay is a switch, that's all... the "keyed Power" only turns this switch on and off.. the hi current goes into the #30 terminal and when the switch is on that said power exits through the #87 terminal. Do NOT Tap this high current from inside the vehicle. Please trust me here. I do actually know what I am doing.
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I know this seems confusing, and this is why I STRONGLY advise you to go read the thread about relays and really get the concept in your head. I say that because of this statement,
" I understand your diagram shows the proper way to run a switch, but it's not the way i'm doing it, cause it would still give power to the switch if i ran the + wire off the battery terminal, which i don't want."

you will use a fuse tap off the interior fuse panel. Preferably the one marked "Radio"
This is a power source that is off when the key is off. Thusly meeting your requirements.

ALL this signal/power wire is doing is supplying 12V to the positive side of the coil in the relay. It is not feeding your fog lights in any way.

a relay is a switch, that's all... the "keyed Power" only turns this switch on and off.. the hi current goes into the #30 terminal and when the switch is on that said power exits through the #87 terminal. Do NOT Tap this high current from inside the vehicle. Please trust me here. I do actually know what I am doing.
I understand that the relay isn't a power source, I was just wondering where to wire the supply wire from, to go to the relay, to go to the switch for my fog lights. You say I can run the supply wire from a fuse tab "preferably from the fuse box inside the car" to a relay, and from the relay to the foglight switch. Cause right now, that's how i have it set up, just no relay. I'll have to get one. And read the Relay post.
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I would put the relay under the hood myself and pull at least a 10AWG fused wire directly off the battery.
That way you don't have a high current wire to snake through the firewall; just a signal wire from the switch.
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