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M2S4 Tranny Swap Questions

So i have a 96 si with an automatic transmission. (sadly) and i want to get a new manual transmission. I was wondering if the H22A1 transmission can be swapped with the M2S4 transmission. and if it can, which would be better? I would like to get a new transmission with faster acceleration and all that junk, but i want one that fits to my motor.
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Re: M2S4 Tranny Swap Questions

Short answer yes. It can be mated. i run the h23 trans in my car and i have a JDM H22A. Which is better depends solely on what u wanna do. H22 gears are longer (higher top speed) H23 are middle and the f22 are short (faster accel). All of which are interchangeable
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This man speaks the truth. All H and F series engines and transmissions are interchangeable. Excluding the obvious (s2k engine..)
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Re: M2S4 Tranny Swap Questions

one more question, as i said i have an auto tranny. what exactly do i need to swap? all the lines, the tranny, clutch, pedal, shifter, bell housing, master and slave cylinder, the harness, and what else? i am going to do a h23a1 motor with the h22a1 tranny. and in doing this will i have to change my ecu?
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f series trannies are long. h23 is mid range but the jdm trannies are shorter then the h23. the m2b4 and the m2a4 are shorter then the m2s4 but the m2s4 is shorter then the m2y4. The h23 is th best all aoun tranny for the h22 but i hate its short 5th gear, thats why my new trans has m2a4 gears 1,2,5 and m2s4 gears 3,4
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one more question, as i said i have an auto tranny. what exactly do i need to swap? all the lines, the tranny, clutch, pedal, shifter, bell housing, master and slave cylinder, the harness, and what else? i am going to do a h23a1 motor with the h22a1 tranny. and in doing this will i have to change my ecu?
idk exactly what ull need ask around and research. But i think u mean h22 motor and h23 trans. lol. But yes ull need a new ecu
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Re: M2S4 Tranny Swap Questions

no. i have an h23a1 engine. stock on a 96 prelude si. i want to buy a transmission off of an h22a1 motor from a stock 93 vtec.
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Re: M2S4 Tranny Swap Questions

why? thats a$$ backwards lol
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Something tells me you're not going to fall in love with those gear ratios
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Re: M2S4 Tranny Swap Questions

well i want to have a manual transmission. i do a lot of racing and it would be good for the control of my car and it would be much lighter. i would buy the engine and the tranny, but i dont have the money for everything, plus my engine has as low of mileage as you can get for a lude.
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m2s4 is the h23 trans. h22a1 is the m2a4??? i dont remember.lol just go on honda-tech with your tranny code and compare. lower number=quicker accel, less top speed
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m2s4 is h23 tranny. U want the h23 TRANNY. If u run the h23 motor u for damn sure don't want the h22 tranny. gearings too long. Ur performance will be hindered. h23 or f22. I say h23 all the way tho
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Re: M2S4 Tranny Swap Questions

the only problem is finding the m2s4 tranny. but IF i was going to swap in the H22 tranny, it would fit?
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yes it will work but u DONT want the h22 tranny on the h23. gearing is too long. Be patient and do it right the 1st time so u don't spend more money then u have to
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well thank you everyone. i definately needed the info. lol. :D
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Im gunna have a trans for sale, m2s4 1st,2nd, and 5th gear, m2a4(jdm h22 trans, short geared) 3rd and 4th
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Re: M2S4 Tranny Swap Questions

No no no no NOOO

H22 transmission is the M2A4 in the US market, and the M2B4 is the one with factory LSD. The final drive ratio on this transmission is HIGHER than the F22's making the gears SHORTER. Everyone says the H23 is the middle of the line with regards to it's final drive, but this is incorrect. The H23 M2S4 transmission has the same final drive as the H22 M2A4, it's just the 1st-5th gear ratios that are different in comparison.


If you're looking for faster acceleration, you're looking for an M2A4 or an M2B4. The reason people don't mate the M2S4 with stock H22A(1) engines, as said, is because the different ratios of 1st-5th gears-causes the engine to drop out of Vtec when shifting.
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No no no no NOOO

H22 transmission is the M2A4 in the US market, and the M2B4 is the one with factory LSD. The final drive ratio on this transmission is HIGHER than the F22's making the gears SHORTER. Everyone says the H23 is the middle of the line with regards to it's final drive, but this is incorrect. The H23 M2S4 transmission has the same final drive as the H22 M2A4, it's just the 1st-5th gear ratios that are different in comparison.


If you're looking for faster acceleration, you're looking for an M2A4 or an M2B4. The reason people don't mate the M2S4 with stock H22A(1) engines, as said, is because the different ratios of 1st-5th gears-causes the engine to drop out of Vtec when shifting.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I have been reading a lot about transmissions lately because I am going to ditch the ATTS for the LSD.
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Re: M2S4 Tranny Swap Questions

Here ya go..went out and did some lookin around for you guys;

Honda Transmission specs - Scroll down about half way to see the specifics on our transmissions.


To quote the first thing that comes up on http://www.bokchoys.com/differential/Speed.htm;

"How does the final drive ratio affect your top Speed?
Whenever you swap from a lower final drive ratio to a higher drive ratio, this affects your top speed. Going to too aggressive on your final drive ratio, and you'll be shifting too much and greatly decrease your top speed."
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dont forget the flywheel bolts the clutch and all supporting parts
there is a list on here somewhere tho i think its for a 5th gen everything is the same
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just get the h22a with the m2b4 already on it best combo for a low budget heres some help with gear ratios i read several ppls post on here and a couple post are veryyyy mis leading..

Prelude/H-series Transmission Codes and Ratios master-list - Honda-Tech

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and lindso the m2a4 was the standard non lsd trans in japan the m2b4 was the optional lsd trans in japan ;)
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dont forget the flywheel bolts the clutch and all supporting parts
there is a list on here somewhere tho i think its for a 5th gen everything is the same
i looked for it, i cant find the thread. is there any way you can post the link so i can make sure i take everything i need out of his car?
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and i have an obd2 because its a 96 prelude. the prelude that i am getting it from is an obd1. will this mess up my emissions test? and will it hook up right? what about the computer on the car? and all the electrical components. i will need a new harness and ecu chip right?
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yes it will mess with your emissions obdI engines are older than obdII engines(and as far as i know this is technically an Illegal swap) . Im not very knowledgeable on what involves switching an OBDI engine into a OBDII car entails but i can tell you your ECU will be having the equivalent to seizures as will your emission system and it WILL fail. you may be able to get away with getting a chipped ECU from pherable (spelling?) and get the obdII to obdI jumper harness (look it up) but im not 100%
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Re: M2S4 Tranny Swap Questions

and just a few minutes on google got me this
Mazmo.com 5spd Swap
and about 20 billion other links
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damn... that really blows. so i guess im gonna have to find a newer tranny to swap to. :( that really blows because it was so damn cheap. what if i switched ecu chips to the 93 and took the 93 harness?
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Re: M2S4 Tranny Swap Questions

my bad i didn't realize you were just talking about just the trans im sorry for that
you should not have a problem with the trans then
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okay. perfect. so what would i need to do to fit the transmission in there? would i need the 93 manual prelude wiring harness? and would it pass emissions? and which ecu chip would i need? the 96 si or the 93 vtec?
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Re: M2S4 Tranny Swap Questions

you don't need a tcu for the trans as you have a OBDII. i don't think its a necessity to get it chipped but i believe there is a write up on how to switch it over from auto to Manuel your self. somebody else would be better at helping you at this as i have never done it but have done some research on it myself (my old lude was auto)
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