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Old 11-19-2010, 01:31 AM
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Harness Bar and Harness?

Hey everyone!

I was looking into getting a harness setup for my lude. I'm not sure on which point (4,5,6) would be best, so I'm open to suggestions. I have a few questions first.

1.) I was going to keep the stock seats. Will this make the harness uncomfortable?

2.) What goes into installing a harness bar? Removing some trim from the B Pillar and bolting it up, then bolting the little support things to the floor?

3.) Will my back seats still be functional (not practical)? I know it would be weird and mostly likely uncomfortable, but they are only used occasionally.

4.) Are harnesses street legal in Ohio? I know some states do not consider them adequate safety belts.

Any help is greatly appreciated
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Re: Harness Bar and Harness?

1. Probably

2. Yes, you'll have to hack up your interior panels, as well as remove the seats in order to get to the bolts on the floor.

3. Functional? Doubt it. Unsafe? Extremely.

4. IDK, talk to a police officer or google it.
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Old 11-19-2010, 02:23 AM
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Re: Harness Bar and Harness?

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1. Probably

2. Yes, you'll have to hack up your interior panels, as well as remove the seats in order to get to the bolts on the floor.

3. Functional? Doubt it. Unsafe? Extremely.

4. IDK, talk to a police officer or google it.
Why would the backseats be unsafe? It is to my understanding that the back seat belts will still be fully functional? If this is the case, it would just be really annoying to rear passengers, correct?

Also, when you say remove the seats to get to the bolts on the floor, to which bolts are you referring to? The little support bars for the harness bar?
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Re: Harness Bar and Harness?

No, your backseats are useless once you get a harness bar because it goes at forehead/eye level with your passengers in the rear. Should you get in a car accident guess who is guaranteed to die? Your passengers. Enjoy vehicular manslaughter. Lol. Or you could just NOT use your rear seats for anything more than a place to put your books, once you get a harness bar. At least you aren't like other noobz thinking you can run a harness off of ****ing wherever they want. I love how people don't realize that just because they have a harness, they are safe. While if that harness is in the wrong position or angle, in an accident, it'll compress their spines. Good ****, learning, all around.
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Re: Harness Bar and Harness?

Also, harnesses are perfectly legal in Ohio. I rocked em in my Integra and was pulled over on two separate occasions and wasn't hassled whatsoever, and my friend Milly runs em in his 240 and has been hit on three separate occasions and no officer has ever said anything. You're sweet dude. Lol.
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Re: Harness Bar and Harness?

I know all about the spine compression and stuff when they're installed improperly. I've done plenty of research As for the rear passengers, thats the same thing I was thinking I just wasn't sure how far the bar actually went towards the back. Oh well, I guess I will have an even more impractical car, lol. I searched all night last night and I couldn't even find a harness bar for the 4G? Is there even one that exists?

EDIT: How possible would it be to buy a 97-01 bar and adapt it to my 4G?

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Old 11-20-2010, 01:05 PM
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Re: Harness Bar and Harness?

Having had a harness in my 2d gen, and test-fitted them in my 4th gen:
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1.) I was going to keep the stock seats. Will this make the harness uncomfortable?
It depends on how they're mounted. On a 4th gen, you have no choice other than a harness bar, of course, but the way the 1-piece seats are designed, the bolsters push the shoulder straps outwards. I found that a bit uncomfortable based on how I fit into the seat (which was part of the decision to stay with the regular belts). It may work differently for you.

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2.) What goes into installing a harness bar? Removing some trim from the B Pillar and bolting it up, then bolting the little support things to the floor?
The bar I looked at bolted to the B-pillar seatbelt mounts, then to the floor. Running bolts through the floor isn't difficult, but you need to make sure you don't drill into something important (fuel lines!) and you absolutely must use some very large washers or a reinforcing plate around the bolt holes, otherwise you risk pulling the bolt through the floorpan under load (as would happen in a crash).

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3.) Will my back seats still be functional (not practical)? I know it would be weird and mostly likely uncomfortable, but they are only used occasionally.
Practically, no. Forget the danger to the rear passengers -- no one sane will be willing to crawl under the bar to reach the back seat (on the passenger side) in the first place, and the driver side is filled with the vertical brace. So the car becomes a two-seater. This was the other reason I didn't follow through with installation -- I needed to put an infant seat back there, and while theoretically possible, it just wasn't going to happen in real life.

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4.) Are harnesses street legal in Ohio? I know some states do not consider them adequate safety belts.
Most harnesses aren't DOT-approved, so if someone wants to make an issue of it, they could. There are a few that are, and those are legal anywhere.

You asked about 4 point vs 5 or 6. With a harness bar, I wouldn't use a 4-point belt in most cases -- it's too likely to pull up on you under load. The 5th (or 5th and 6th) attachment points are the anti-submarine belts that bolt to the floor in front of the seat. (More properly under the seat, but you don't have slots cut in the front seat to run them through...and no, that's not practical either!) The issue isn't so much submarining under the lap belt in a crash -- less likely in an upright seat at street speeds -- but the lap belt and central attachment point pulling up and transfering the load to your soft lower abdoman...you'll take lots of damage. That's one of the major differences between the DOT-approved harnesses and straight race harnesses -- the shoulder straps for the DOT ones tend to attach to the lap belt by your hip bones rather than above your crotch, and the straps have a section designed to give a bit under load so the lap belt isn't pulled up. I've forgotten the brand that specializes in this, but most of the race safety shops carry them.

Last...I/O Port Racing used to sell a harness bar for the 4th gen. If they don't still carry it in stock, they'll probably make it.

My assessment: I loved having a harness in my 2d gen, and it broke my heart to decide against it in the 4th, but it was just not as practical or safe as I demanded, so I stuck with the stock belt.
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Re: Harness Bar and Harness?

As for stock seat comfort, I figured it would be slightly different for me considering I'm only 5'7" and 130 lbs. I should have mentioned that.

How would I know which harness is DOT approved and which is not? I was just going to buy some ebay one, but I'm willing to spend more for safety.

I was fairly sure there was some custom work involved, but I'm not too experienced in metal fabrication on cars, so would a shop maybe help (in your opinion)

I looked for a while and finally came accross this harness bar:

Honda 1992-1996 Prelude NRG Racing Harness Bar|NRG Innovations Aluminum Harness Bar

Has anyone ever heard of this site or bar? I know of NRG, but this is one of few sites with that specific part. I wasn't sure if it was a knockoff.
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Re: Harness Bar and Harness?

OK...we're the same height (although it's been a very long time since I was 130 lbs!). I think you'll have the same problems with the shoulder belts being pushed off your shoulders by the bolsters, even if they're running back to the harness bar.

A DOT-approved part will have a tag on it saying so. Schroth is the company I was thinking of that does DOT-legal harnesses. See Schroth Harness Guide and Harness Belt FAQ and Schroth Racing Harnesses for more information on their products.

The NRG bar looks like a proper harness bar -- that's all I can say without seeing the part. Don't know anything about NRG itself. I checked the I/O Port website, and they still list a bar fitting the 4th gen (IO Port Racing Supplies: Harness Guide Bar Range 46-3/4 to 49 inches).
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Re: Harness Bar and Harness?

Is that the bar you purchased for your 4G?
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Ended up not keeping it, though.
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Re: Harness Bar and Harness?

Well I did some in-depth research last night and, from what I can gather, the NRG bar is "universal." Even on their website it has a list of applications for each bar. It also says if you're not sure, to measure the distance between your B pillars and get the correct bar.

Seat Belt Harness Bars | NRG Innovations

So I should be able to order the 47" bar and be good to go?
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IF the website says so, yes. NRG is a good company that spends the money and time on R&D. They won't let you down.
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That's what I figured. NRG is it!
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