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Old 11-08-2010, 10:08 PM
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oil leak almost caused accident

so while driving today getting off the freeway I lost control of my car at about 65 mph...i got it under control after alot of spinning and 360's my car came to a smoking stop on the side of the road (facing the correct direction i might add) i looked it over and everything seemed fine after it was all said and done i got to school thinking maybe i hit a wet spot in the turn (flordia has big oval exits) and that caused me to lose control. After class i go to turn the car on and behold my oil light is blinking. I immediately shut the car off and check my oil and it's BONE DRY i checked it before i left this morning because i just got done changing my oil cooler O ring, so i wanted to make sure it was holding up. there was plenty of oil before i left for school but none when i tryed to return home from school! i had a few quarts in the trunk for emergency purposes so i poured it all in and i look under neath after i start the car again and it is like a water gun of oil squirting out from underneath my car right next to the driver side tire!! i ended up getting it towed back home and started tearing it apart to try and find the leak its on the driver side but i don't have any extra oil to see where its coming from! any idea of where this leak could be coming from or what is causing my engine to blow some kind of different gasket a week this is getting old fast and draining my wallet.
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Old 11-08-2010, 10:28 PM
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Re: oil leak almost caused accident

oil pump?

Is your PCV system working properly? That will cause you to blow the weakest gasket.
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Re: oil leak almost caused accident

gonna tear the timing cover off tomorrow how can i tell if its the oil pump
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Re: oil leak almost caused accident

Since you've been working in the oil cooler area, I would start there. Clean everything up, add some oil, start it up and watch. Good chance you simply didn't install the oil cooler properly. It happens
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Re: oil leak almost caused accident

Well, when you put oil in the car, watch were it's squirting out from like you saw lol.
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Re: oil leak almost caused accident

already checked the oil cooler O ring its not leaking
the leak seems to be coming from the driver side of the engine (i looked while the oil was pouring out but i could not pin point it)
after removing the alternator and ps pump and vc i have found that the leak is by the timing belt cover towards the rear of the car and my timing belt is covered in oil any suggestions?
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Re: oil leak almost caused accident

some pics of the oil leak and where its at for any further PZ analysis lol if you guys have any clue chime in im ready to throw the towl in on this thing and sell it
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Re: oil leak almost caused accident

Check the VC gasket!!! IMO it looks like it could possibly be the VC gasket wornout and it's leaking through n dripping down ur motor onto the pavement?!?!
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Re: oil leak almost caused accident

the vc gasket was brand new and wasn't leaking when the car was running and the oil was spilling
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Re: oil leak almost caused accident

your oil cooler is on the side of your crank pulley? How old is your rear main seal? take the plastic cover of the side of the motor where the balancer belt is hidden and see what going on. It could be leaking from the bottum and the timing belt is just bringing the oil to the top
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Re: oil leak almost caused accident

called coggin honda today its $167 for
timing belt,balnce belt,front main seal,both cam seals,oil pump seal,valve cover gasket,oil pump gasket and a few other small ones that go in there as well.....this should be fun
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Re: oil leak almost caused accident

Front main seal is on the drivers side, rear main is passenger. Its not the valve cover. Prolly the front main, maybe a cam seal or something.

Did you honda bond your VC gasket? Make sure the side of the VC gasket that faces the cam gears was honda bonded and sealed? Might have leaked from the valve cover gasket over to the upper timing belt cover, but if you said it was squirting, thats gotta be the front main.
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Re: oil leak almost caused accident

Is that oil on the inside of the cam gears?
There shouldn't be any oil there, if there is, replace the front cam seals and the timing belt. Any oil on the timing belt == replace.
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Re: oil leak almost caused accident

its not any of the cam seals. eliminate that theory. if it was the cam seal it would be leaking down the side of the head and pooling up on the deck. also if it was the cam seal it wouldnt throw out all that oil in such little time. it has to be around the balancer pulley
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h22 time :) lol jk man i hope you figure it out this sounds like the biggest headache but dont give up man im sure all is well just needs some TLC ;)
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run the car without the timing cover it might be the front main seal but
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and jack it up on stands and take off the driver side tire
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its not any of the cam seals. eliminate that theory. if it was the cam seal it would be leaking down the side of the head and pooling up on the deck. also if it was the cam seal it wouldnt throw out all that oil in such little time. it has to be around the balancer pulley
Looking at picture number 7 it looks like oil on the inside of the cam gear. So when the engine is turned over it will sling on the cam. If it sqirting oil out it has to have pressure or a fling effect behind it.
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Re: oil leak almost caused accident

well ive decided to save my self some headache and replace all the seals on that side of the engine and the timing belt and balance belt its only costing me 167 from the dealership for all the seals needed and the new belts and a new VC gasket im tired of dealing with this so im just gonna do all of em FUC( THIS CAR!!!!
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I'll lay odds its the balancer shaft seal -- had that happen on mine, and the symptoms were just what you describe. There was a recall several years ago for '94-'97 Preludes and Accords, and it generated quite a bit of discussion -- this is the summary I wrote for another site at the time:

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The infamous front balancer shaft oil seal replacement. Over time, the seal backed out under pressure, resulting in rapid oil loss. The fix was to install a retainer on the seal. This affected most 1994-96 Preludes and Accords, as well as a few early production 1997 cars. Although not included in the recall, 1992-93 Preludes are also vulnerable to this problem.
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thanks so much for all the input guys idk how this car would survive with out the ppl on here lol
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Re: oil leak almost caused accident

even though some say it isn't the cam seals how would i got about replacing those do i need to completely remove the cams and cam gears? im worried about screwing up the timing if i do it.
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You'll need to remove the cam gears, but not the cams. The seals press into the head. Yes, you'll have to make sure nothing moves, and since you have to remove the cam gears, you can't clamp them together to accomplish that. Same thing with the balancer shaft -- you have to remove the belt and the pullies. I'll admit I didn't do that myself -- put the car on a flatbed and used a trusted professional for that one.
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The infamous timing belt and balancing belt changing isn't that difficult, but it takes patience. I did it 2 weeks ago with my old man. I did the water pump, t-belt, b-belt, and converted from an auto tension to an h23 manual.

Its not as intimidating as you'd think. Quick run down.
-Jack the car, driver side, set with jack stand.
-Remove tire, place jack under the oil pan with some wood, to lower the engine when needed.
-Remove the valve and top plastic timing cover
-Line the cams up, arrows up, and flywheel T between the markers (rubber stopper by the engine vin). To line them, take a breaker bar, or just regular socket wrench and place it on the crank pulley. You wont break the bolt, but you'll rotate the gear.
-Remove the crankshaft pulley (WARNING: If you dont have PROFESSIONAL mechanic tools, go to a shop for this, pay 10 dollars for them to zap the bolt off with a air tool, then slightly tighten it for the ride home. It could need up to 900 lb's. Mine took a 1 inch air impact gun nicknamed "metilda," and a shop size compressor some scary ****.)
-Remove the bottom cover / motor mounts, lower the engine a tad with the jack for more under clearence
-With all your gears lined up, aka cam and crank gear, remove the tension and your belts.
-Put new belts on, reassemble.

If you go from an auto to a manual tensioner, you'll spend a few hours cursing and fighting to put the belt on. It's so tight that there is zero room for any mistakes, if you get the belt on, its dead on, and you're good. Auto you should have more play, so just make sure the teeth are lined.

I did my belt with just me and my father, and though he was a mechanic in the 70's, this was his first time doing anything like this. But we both got threw it, and it was a good learning experience.

I suggest you try it yourself, get the hands on time.

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The infamous timing belt and balancing belt changing isn't that difficult, but it takes patience. I did it 2 weeks ago with my old man. I did the water pump, t-belt, b-belt, and converted from an auto tension to an h23 manual.

Its not as intimidating as you'd think. Quick run down.
-Jack the car, driver side, set with jack stand.
-Remove tire, place jack under the oil pan with some wood, to lower the engine when needed.
-Remove the valve and top plastic timing cover
-Line the cams up, arrows up, and flywheel T between the markers (rubber stopper by the engine vin). To line them, take a breaker bar, or just regular socket wrench and place it on the crank pulley. You wont break the bolt, but you'll rotate the gear.
-Remove the crankshaft pulley (WARNING: If you dont have PROFESSIONAL mechanic tools, go to a shop for this, pay 10 dollars for them to zap the bolt off with a air tool, then slightly tighten it for the ride home. It could need up to 900 lb's. Mine took a 1 inch air impact gun nicknamed "metilda," and a shop size compressor some scary ****.)
-Remove the bottom cover / motor mounts, lower the engine a tad with the jack for more under clearence
-With all your gears lined up, aka cam and crank gear, remove the tension and your belts.
-Put new belts on, reassemble.

If you go from an auto to a manual tensioner, you'll spend a few hours cursing and fighting to put the belt on. It's so tight that there is zero room for any mistakes, if you get the belt on, its dead on, and you're good. Auto you should have more play, so just make sure the teeth are lined.

I did my belt with just me and my father, and though he was a mechanic in the 70's, this was his first time doing anything like this. But we both got threw it, and it was a good learning experience.

I suggest you try it yourself, get the hands on time.
thats not nearly the nightmare half of the ppl ive talked to make it out to be. Thanks for laying it down like that,but the only issue for me is replacing the seals. front crank seal balance shaft seals and cam seals seem to be the scary thing i don't have money for a shop to do this so im kinda stuck doing it all my own.
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how do i remove the cam gears i tried wrenching on them but they just would not come loose
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how do i remove the cam gears i tried wrenching on them but they just would not come loose
Have someone hold a wrench or large pair of pliers to the hex spot on the cam, and just use a large wrench to break the gear loose. It's better to smack it than to just turn it with force
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lil update guys. I went to honda today and got all the seals for the front of the engine and i mean ALL of them and new timing and balance shaft belts and a new vc gasket all for 170 even out the door. I have to say i love doing business with this dealership (coggin deland honda) not only did they throw me some extra seals for free but they lent me the shop Manuel and the crank holding tool for free with out me even saying anything! Those guys are great and always very helpful with any questions i have. I got the pully off today and the timing cover as well as the VC. I have to go into work at 5 so im callin it a day cuz im dirty and coverd in oil and i gotta go to work clean =/
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The dealerships have all the manuals online so it was nice of them to lend you the old physical copy, but I'm amazed they let you borrow the crank pulley tool. Those things aren't cheap. Did you have to leave a credit card behind? :P
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