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Old 10-18-2010, 07:58 AM
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Climate Control Soldering

Hi guys I just bought another climate control board and i got it in and plugged it in and it worked fine so I took it out and after I finished the clutch in my car I plug it back in and nothing. I open it up and of course on all of the green plugs studs they are cracked at the bottom all of them. So I solder all of them again, doesn't work open it up again, cracked again! WTF is happening?
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Old 10-18-2010, 10:30 AM
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Re: Climate Control Soldering

you need to remove all solder and re-apply new. You have burnt the solder and it will not now, or ever, do what it needs to.
Send it to me and I will repair it correctly for $10 -- you pay return shipping so overall about $20 - $25

Send me a PM if your interested and I will give you my address and pay-pal.
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Re: Climate Control Soldering

I dont know if you get it maybe you do fully but what I'm saying is that everytime I plug it in my green plug just burns up the posts.
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Re: Climate Control Soldering

you did not say it burnt... you said it cracked.

I said that you have over heated and over used the [OEM] solder -- which was crap to begin with --
either take all the solder out and re do it or deal with it.. simple right?

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Re: Climate Control Soldering

sorry to be a pest but what magic ultra solder are you using? I have some stuff i bought from a hardware store and maybe it's not strong **** but usually it works. But if you're saying there's better stuff where do you get it and how do you clean that solder off? thanks
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She is a Goddess among men when it comes to electrical components and such. Do not doubt her, it's pretty much illegal on here.
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She is a Goddess among men when it comes to electrical components and such. Do not doubt her, it's pretty much illegal on here.

in the name of the circuits the wires and the holy solder AMEN!
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Re: Climate Control Soldering

hehe.. thanks guys....

If you are going to do this right, I suggest:
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*25W minimum Soldering iron
*Lead Free Solder, .25 or .5 oz size
*Solder puller - they make three types, A braided strip, a spring loaded, and a suction ball. Go to your store and ask to see all three.
* A well lighted area and possibly a magnifying glass - if you are old like me and cant see worth a sh............

-Tape your harness to the board on the green plastic side.... it wont require a lot of pressure, but you dont want anything moving around.
-De-solder each group one at a time.... this will also help keep it in place
-CLean, Clean, CLean! - I use an old toothbrush and a lil rubbing alcohol.
-DON'T get in a hurry.
-DON't burn your solder, or the board. aka: leaving the iron in the pin too long

And Lastly, your solder should NEVER be applied directly to the iron. (except for tinning)
You shold heat the metal you are trying to aplly the solder to then apply it, the solder, to the opposite side of where the iron is, allowing the heat to "pull" the solder to it (the iron).

FYI: In my sig is a link to my DIY write up about this process.
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Re: Climate Control Soldering

okay I bought all that shtuff and did it and I know what a good solder is and it still doesnt work. Basically I'm concerned because the LEDS still flicker and I still don't think its the board itself I really think it's the relay. But i really dont know.
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Re: Climate Control Soldering

O and btw this is not my old bored this is one I bought off ebay for 25 bux and it ripped right through those studs
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Re: Climate Control Soldering

I appreciate your efforts, but I am still questioning your application and unwillingness to properly trouble shoot this.

1) if the LED's still flicker than you have a bad solder joint. These are ALL Controlled through the Green Harness. The mode control servo? Green Harness. The air re-circulator servo?... GREEN HARNESS!

2) Which relay? Do you know how many relays are involved in the CC? -Careful with your answer.

3) If you really think that there is some magical relay assembly or "black box" under the dash than what troubleshooting steps have you taken to come to this conclusion?

As I told you in PM and i will in the public forum, you MUST download the repair guide and test this properly. You are correct in assuming that 99% of the issues can be attributed to the solder joints (which I Still think is your issue) but until you perform the proper tests for the CC harness, both on the controller side AND the car/wire harness side. WHICH also includes the brown harness which is the fan control, and where you will find one of the said relays.

I am not trying to be an ass about this, however, I am NOT guessing at any of what I have posted, I HAVE read the 4th Gen guides electrical section front to back MANY times, and I have done a LOT of custom soldering work and repair. Not to mention numerous CC boards.
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O and btw this is not my old bored this is one I bought off ebay for 25 bux and it ripped right through those studs
if you are still breaking the solder joints than you are not doing it right. Or you are VERY rough in connecting the green harness....

-A cold solder joint is one where you have overheated the solder, making it completely useless and MORE detrimental than your original connection. This is identified by a brownish color and/or dull solder. --see pictures above.

-Improperly applying the solder by applying it directly to the iron tip INSTEAD of the harness pin and allowing the solder to melt and come TO the heat of the iron.

-Applying extra solder to existing solder thus creating the same two issues listed above.



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Any chance I could get a page number XD
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Re: Climate Control Soldering

Sorry... crappy day at work... VERY busy:

ANyways, if you pull the PDF document up it is PDF page 1008, or, by the manual, the index for all the Heater troubleshooting can be found on 21-1
and likewise the AC troubleshooting on 22-1

and please READ ALL of it, don't just skip to what you think is the "issue" you are having. You may discover somethign you didn't know.
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Re: Climate Control Soldering

Yea not saying I need help atm but just an update, my controller has most LEDS up now but now the when I hit the button the orange button does not show the function is on and my fan doesn't work. And when the car is cold the blower does not work at all XD I know it's FU***ED hopefully no rain tonight and manual troubleshooting time! :D!
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Re: Climate Control Soldering

I have a 93 prelude but did a 99 swap and now my ac button and rear defroster work wenever they want and also sometimes the heater only works in the floor....could this b the issue?
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I have a 93 prelude but did a 99 swap and now my ac button and rear defroster work wenever they want and also sometimes the heater only works in the floor....could this b the issue?
a 99 swap? swapped the motor or climate control?
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