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Old 09-08-2010, 03:13 PM
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Clutch spring?

My clutch is acting a little funny. I have about an inch to an inch and a half of play before I hit pressure in my clutch. Recently the pedal has been stuck to where the play will start. So I'll shift, let my foot off, and the pedal will still be down somewhat. I've been tapping it with my foot to bring it up when it does get stuck.

I dont know if the clutch will start engaging as soon as the master cylinder rod is pushed in, or when pressure builds, but I dont want to take the chance.

Anyway, its sort of annoying. The spring and everything looks ok though, but I could be wrong. Will the spring loose its strength after 17 years? Anyone else experience a problem like this?

The only other thing I can think of is that we did take out the damper, and have a funky set of fittings together to match the lines. One fitting is usually wet with brake fluid, but we've done all we can to try and tighten it. Anymore and it'll strip. But its not like a drip, if you run your hand under it you'll get slippery fingers, but thats about it. Keeping a close eye on the fluid level and it hasn't dropped any yet and I dont feel any less pressure in bringing the pedal to the floor.
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Old 09-08-2010, 03:25 PM
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Re: Clutch spring?

The spring gets weaker, but not of any significant amount that you'd feel. I had an Acura Legend that did this just before things got sh!tty with the clutch. It would get really touchy and chatter when I would take off sometimes. Shortly after, the clutch disc exploded. The pedal would be literally half an inch off the floor, have good resistance in that half an inch, and be super grabby. When it would come back to full travel, it would slip a little bit sometimes. I still to this day don't know exactly what was going on, but I do know it isn't good. I replaced the clutch with a buddy of mine (who bought the car from me) earlier this year, and it's been fine since.
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Old 09-08-2010, 03:29 PM
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Re: Clutch spring?

Interesting. I'm having a transmission overhaul at the end of the month as is. New flywheel, clutch, syncro gears...etc.

I don't think my clutch 'system' is going bad though. Unless the master cylinder is suppose to push your pedal out for you, and mine isn't. I've always had that inch of play before I start really pushing, its just now the pedal isn't coming all the way up, and sticking right when the play begins.

I looked up a spring, its 6 bucks. That'll be my first route. And if it still doesn't work, I'll hope the transmission clean up will get it done. I'll probably run a braided steel line from the MC to the SC instead of keeping these fittings.

Thanks for the heads up, it could be more serious then I thought it seems.
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Re: Clutch spring?

Inspect the clutch when you do all of this. I wanna know what it looks like, just out of curiosity. Like I said, I still to this day don't know exactly what went on in that bellhousing, but that was 6 years ago.
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Old 09-08-2010, 03:42 PM
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Re: Clutch spring?

Sure. It'll be a few weeks, I'm not doing the clutch work myself. I'll take pictures of the old and new though for ****s and giggles.
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Re: Clutch spring?

if you have so much play, why don't you adjust the pedal?

most people think just because its '' hydraulic'' it cant be adjusted.
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Re: Clutch spring?

If you have a small amount of fluid leaking out of the hydraulic lines just think of how much air is getting in there. I would start there. If that isnt the problem I would look into clutch master/slave. It is always better to start eliminating possible problems with the cheaper, easier to fix, more common to fail parts/problems.
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Re: Clutch spring?

Air shouldn't be getting in, it would suck from the reservoir right? Its leaking because of all the pressure build-up, but once you release the pedal, the same amount of pressure isn't sucking, is it. In other words I'd think the sucking pressure would need to be very strong to get air through the hair line leak thats wetting the fitting, make sense? Over from it just taking the fluid needed from the reservoir.

I'll bleed the clutch today and see if it is getting air.
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Re: Clutch spring?

FIXED: I had a bolt and nut acting as the stopper for my cruise control safety switch thing (right next to the neutral safety). I pushed in the button with my finger and it's pretty resistant, the switch is probably bad. But once I took out the stopper for it, so it no longer push's in the switch as the pedal comes up, it fixed the problem. It comes all the way up as it should.
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Old 09-09-2010, 02:10 PM
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Re: Clutch spring?

BUT NOW: I was at school, and the car wouldn't start. =/ Just crank over. I tried it a few times, went under the hood (in the rain) but didnt see anything out of place, sat back in the car, tried it a few more times, nothing. Called my father, tried it once more and it started.

The first time I tired to start it it stalled out quickly. The second time I tried and it started, then the idle dropped down to 0 and stalled out again. Then just cranking afterwards till it decided to act normal.

Is this the fuel pump? Old man said if it goes, it goes, it shouldn't happen just once in a while. True?

This happened to me yesterday too.
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Re: Clutch spring?

That wasn't the cruise control switch, that was the Neutral Safety Switch... or maybe Clutch Safety Switch... or something like that. Pretty much, it won't allow your starter to engage unless the clutch pedal is depressed, in case you have it in gear.

I could be absolutely wrong, however.
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Re: Clutch spring?

There are 2 switches. One is infact the neutral safety, but I have that jumped with a wire, I'm just careful to shake my shifter (..lol?) when I get in to make sure its in neutral before I start. With the switch jumped I can start it without the clutch actually in. Getting a stopper on the neutral safety spot is literally impossible (not sure why there wasnt one on it when I bought the car), the pedal is smack dab in the way. If I ever take off my pedal, or spring, I'll be sure to do it right and add it in.

There's a second switch though, on the clutch pedal, but this one is pushed in while the pedal is up, and the button is released when the clutch is in. I believe its for the cruise control, as if you push in your clutch while having it on, it will turn it off automatically.
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Re: Clutch spring?

Oh okay. I stand corrected then. I didn't know if you knew the difference between the two . So you say the starter engages intermittantly, or does it crank but not catch intermittantly?
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Re: Clutch spring?

It started, then stall really quick, a messy thing, like I didnt hold the key turned long enough (but did). The second time it started, but just dropped its rpm's from 1.2k to 0 and turned off, as if I was decelerating. Then it would just crank crank crank.

I guess after a few minuets, though I was trying it a couple times, it decided to start without a problem. And its started fine since I got home. This happened yesterday, and today. Yesterday was when I was changing my belt, I thought the loose squeaking belt would upset the alternator and not cause the car to start (for whatever reason). After I had tightened the belt it worked fine.

But since it happen again today, dad said we just got lucky, and it happen to start that time, regardless of the belt.

The main thing Im focused on is the rpm's dropping and stalling, and that its inconsistent. =/
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