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1992 prelude start issues

my 1992 prelude doesn't start. When you turn the key lights go on the first click and you hear the relay click then on the next click (starter) everything goes off like its gonna send all power to starter like normal but thats all it does! I changed the starter, battery, switch on clutch pedal for the starter too and still nothing.. I checked all the fuses under the hood and under the dash and they're all fine. What do I do next?


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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

I should add that It has other issues of not starting on hot days but research says that it could be the main relay. When it did that it just cranked over but that was it, now it doesn't even crank. It seems like when it just cranked I didn't hear any relays click but I dunno...
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

check your cap and rotor and ebent the plugs. could be the ingnition coil as well... had that issue with my civic and a brand new distibuter fixed the issue. The civic has an internal coil and it was bad. good luck
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

thanks.

My big issue is the starter doesnt do anything when you turn the key... very frusterated.. The other switch on the clutch pedal (2 prong) is for the cruise control I think. that wouldnt do anything right?
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

From my understanding it is also for the starter as a failsafe so that you dont start your car in gear. i by passed it in my 2nd and 3rd gen preludes for auto starts on my alarm. I would see if the starter is frozen. I rebuilt my starter on my 3rd gen because the contact bushings were fried. If you have a friend with the same car see if you can take his starter out and put it on yours to see if it is the culprit.
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

I just replaced the starter yesterday with a brand new one and it didn't do anything. I also replaced the switch on the clutch. The one that says the clutch is pressed when you try to start it (3 prong). The other I read is for the cruise control (higher up 2 prong) so I dunno what to do.. I've checked the fuses under the hood and the dash and they're all fine.
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

Does the relay still engage? If it doesnt then it could for fried from being started before you got the new starter.
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

check the battery voltage...i know its new but still do it

check your grounds, that includes your battery and starter ground, which grounds through the housing.

after that....

lets start from your starter and work our way back.

first check to make sure you have 12v to the starter ( im talking about the battery wire + going to it, while trying to crank) if nothing..

check your starter relay.....don't just check it for a clicking noise, check it for ohms between the 4 terminals on the relay it self..you can look up the proper way to check a relay....if the relay is good then......

bypass the clutch safety switch, just jump the connectors together...if that doesn't work.....

check your ignition switch...


another thing to mention.> you can check to make sure all the wiring is correct from the relay to the starter by bypassing or jumping the starter relay with a fused jumper wire...if you bypass the starter relay the starter should start to crank over...if nothingh then you got your self a defective starter..

make sure you don't rule out any possibilities, just becuase an item is new dose not mean its not defective, stuff happens, just make sure you check everything.
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Old 08-18-2010, 07:32 AM
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

Yeah I hear relays clicking. I'll check the voltage. I didn't know that there was also a starter relay.. I'll look around for that.

is the starter relay the one that says "relay ass'y main"?

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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

you have two realys...

one is built into the starter and one is in your fuse box
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

The only relay I know about is the main ass'y relay. is that one for the starter signal also? Or am I looking for one next to the fuse box? I notice the main ass'y clicks and another one by fuses. I'm looking for the fuse one? can I turn the key and feel for the clicks to locate the relay? I need it to show napa the one to buy. On an semi un related note I have the main ass'y coming for a problem starting when warm but it use to turn over then..... cant even get it to do that. gonna check power at fuse box. starter has power and battery reads 12.6 volts.
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Old 08-19-2010, 02:13 AM
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

i think there is another relay in the fuse box in your engine compartment, not sure thought, but check that and let me know.
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

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i think there is another relay in the fuse box in your engine compartment, not sure thought, but check that and let me know.


I found a trouble shooting guide and it says to switch the key on and when the fuel pump clicks off the check engine light will to and then it isn't the relay. It also says that a sign of a faulty ignition switch is the gauges and dash lights wouldn't work and they do work so that leads me to think that it isn't the ignition. I've checked under the hood at the relays (for heaters, fans and AC) and there are fuses but all are clean and in good shape. I've taken a jumper cable and hooked up to the starter from a battery and got the starter itself to spin (more than I've seen in a long time). I've also replaced the switch on the clutch for the starter saftey and I even tried to jump the other one (for cruise control) and still no go. The fuse under the dash is in good shape for the starter signal too. I've checked the plug for the silenoid and it isn't coroded or loose. I've checked the battery for charge (12.6 volts) and the cables are tight and not coroded. What am I missing?



I'm not good with a multimeter. I'm gonna stick the red wire on the end of the little starter signal wire to the silenoid tomarrow and the black wire to the block and turn the key and see what happens... I'll also do the same where the fuse sits in each of the two plugs under the dash. Dunno if that last one will work but thats the only two places I know to maybe check.
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

see if your getting 12.6 volts to the stater solenoid, when you turn the key to the crank position, the relay im talking about has nothing to with the check engine light, its the relay for signal wire going to the starter,.


check that and let me know?
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

my voltmeter reads battery is -12.4 volts now (was -12.6) been turnin key alot..


I tested the little black wire to the silenoid and it went from 0.00 to -0.00 with the key turned. I also tested the big wires on it and one had no volts all the time and the other had -12.4 volts and it then went slightly lower (-12.3) when the key was turned.

I noticed a little black relay thing under the hood in back of motor that says assy MAP on it and it clicks (most the time) when you turn the key. What does that do?

Where is the other relay that your talking about? What does it say? I have the main assy relay on the way but I think that will only fix my hot start problem. That isn't the current issue though.
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

look that the picture i posted below for you... that relay that i circled in red controls the seloniod for the srter to run, since your not getting any power to the seloniod to operate the starter this could be your problem, they usually cost around 3 bucks for a new one, its just you simple relay, you can sawp it with another relay just to make sure its works or not ..... let me know how it goes.

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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

I don't know where that relay is... I've looked and tried to fallow the wires leading from the switch on the clutch to the relay but there are so many and the dash is really in good. I pulled the only four wire relay I could find and tested it and it checks out fine. I doubt it was the one I need. Napa doesn't list a starter cut relay so I cant get one then look for it.
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

were you able to fix your problem?..i have a similar situation..i can kick start my car but when i try to start it, the engine doesnt even crank..i havent checked my starter relay for continuity yet..it may just be that..let me know when you solved it, thanks
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

here is another picture... i put a rectangle by where the relay should be...

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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

i also came across something wroth mentioning, you siad you replaced your clutch safety switch, did you adjust it correctly?
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

Yeah I adjusted it properly and tested that switch and it wasn't it. I finally decieded to bypass it and use a remote start and then thought I'd install a CD player and was chasing a ground problem and discovered that the ignition switch wasn't working because a connection came apart. WoW! Thank god..
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

What wire to the ignition switch came undone? and where can I check that the wire is still attached?
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Re: 1992 prelude start issues

It was a little black wire right on the bottom of the colum. I actually broke the wire while jumping in to scramble and press the brake (was rolling without me).

There's tons of wires under there. The one I had broke went to a little inline fuze. Its right next to a purple one.

What it'd do is nothing, all the dash came on just not the starter motor.

I had another problem too. When the interior got hot it wouldn't start but the motor would turn over. Turned out it was my main assy relay.


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