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I finally put in a new stereo

okay. so here's how it looked before.


now, as i started working on it i ran into a couple difficulties.

First. the ignition wire (yellow with red stripe) has no current running through it. thankfully to my uncle though, who happens to knw a couple things about these sort of stuff, we fixed that.

he put a wire running from the fuse box right to the stereo. (he had a screwdriver looking thing with a lightbulb inside that checks for current).


after that he took off cuz hes going to mexico for vacation for a couple months, but he also told me that some of the fuses (in the fuse box inside the car and in the fuse box under the hood) are not getting electrical current running through them. which worries me.


anyway, i stripped down the gearbox and the part where the stereo goes (as suggested by the DYS part on the forum)


and then i connected al the wires to their corresponding speakers. and that's when i noticed a couple more things.

the lighter/accesory connection has no current running trhough it.

AND THE ANTENNA WON'T GO UP , which sucks cuz that's one of my favorite things (any ideas on how to fix tat?)

the left dash speaker is dead and the right one was working for like 5 minutes and then it died too.

the left and right door speakers are working though, although, what was really weird was when it came to the rear speakers.

they are working but they are working at a very, very, very low level. i put the valume all the way up and then directed the sound to the rear speakers and did a couple more things to test these speakers but still, nothing made them louder.

so i had a couple questions.

1. are these even the ones that come stock with honda? i don't think so right?


2. is this even the way they should look? i mean they look really old and used. and also they look like they got wet at some point and now that's why they're not working correctly now?



3. i also noticed that they say they can handle anywhere from 60 watts to 160 watts which got me thinking. iis that even close to the amount of watts that the speaker cables give out? i mean, cuz maybe if the amount of watts given by the car cables is a lower abmount of watts, then that's perhaps why they aren't working at full capacity righ?



4. is this even a good brand of speakers?



i would really appreciate some input with this. i mean any ideas as to how to fix this? am i going to have to buy new speakers? if so which ones would be good but on a budget (my money is limitted right now that i am jobless )

also, where could i find and how much could it be for the dash speakers?


anyway. here's the 'final' product




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i found thes things just sitting there (deep behind where the stereo should go ) and i wanted to knw what they are and what are they for?



same goes for this. which i found hanging from above the fuse box.



any ideas?



anyway. thank you for your time, and in ahead thanks for your imput because i will really appreciate it.

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the blue connector is for the abs to get error codes...
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Re: I finally put in a new stereo

1. I don't think those are the speakers that came with the car, at least not in my 4th gen.
2. They are old and that's prob why you're getting such bad sound.
3. The stock wiring is fine for what your stereo is pushing.
4. Infinity is a good brand.

Change your speakers and if the problem is still there get back to us. I have 4 Pioneer TS-G1641R, cost me $40 a pair about 4 years ago.
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HOLY HELL!

You sir have a mess!
Where to start?????

The Power wire you and your dad installed... Don't. IF you need to get power from the fuse box at LEAST take off the plastic trim panel and run the wire up and out without pinching it in that "door." You are just Asking for failure. But like I said, DON'T. You have another issue that needs to be addressed. And by the looks of it the previous wiring job is the problem.
Do you see the BLUE wire with a thin Yellow Stripe on it.. it is at the bottom left of your picture...
This IS THE BATTERY 12V POSITIVE POWER LEAD -- do ya THINK with those wires sticking out it MAY BE SHORTING to ground????????????
let me answer that for you...."this has caused a short and thusly "burnt" your fuse for the stereo/dash accessories circuit."


PLEASE tell me you cut all that CRAP off the wiring harness back to the stock wires...... PLEEEEEASSSSE!
AGAIN, cut ALL of that crap out and start fresh. Instead of using tape, get some hat shrink tube. It will last longer and ensure those butt connectors NEVER short out again. (assuming that is how you are putting it back together?)

the blue and gray harness are accesorial circuits. Specifically the gray one is for testing your CES codes and like it was said above, the blue is for getting the ABS codes.
'PZ' 4th gen resource guide v.2 - closed-

The speakers.... well.... the Infinity brand is ok. Yours on the other hand, are nothing more than paper weights at this time. What you are looking at is considered the spider, it limits/controls the movement of the cone-- which is MISSING! and THAT is why you are getting "Crappy sound." HAHAHA! there is NOTHING there To Make SOUND!!!
the center piece/speaker is a tweeter. IF you are lucky this is all that is playing right now. I dont want to laugh .. but.. SERIOUSLY!!!!

you have done a nice clean install of the head unit... but I can't help but think that you need a LOT more electrical help.. aka: you are NOT finished with this install.

as for the last little gray harness above the fuse box... I need a better picture of it... what EXACT color are those wires? One looks to be a green wire (base color) with a brown stripe? I just cant tell and am not willing to ponder a guess at this juncture.


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damn dude that wiring is a mess. hope nothing starts a fire... lol

nice set up though
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HOLY HELL!

You sir have a mess!
Where to start?????

The Power wire you and your dad installed... Don't. IF you need to get power from the fuse box at LEAST take off the plastic trim panel and run the wire up and out without pinching it in that "door." You are just Asking for failure. But like I said, DON'T. You have another issue that needs to be addressed. And by the looks of it the previous wiring job is the problem.
Do you see the BLUE wire with a thin Yellow Stripe on it.. it is at the bottom left of your picture...
This IS THE BATTERY 12V POSITIVE POWER LEAD -- do ya THINK with those wires sticking out it MAY BE SHORTING to ground????????????
let me answer that for you...."this has caused a short and thusly "burnt" your fuse for the stereo/dash accessories circuit."


PLEASE tell me you cut all that CRAP off the wiring harness back to the stock wires...... PLEEEEEASSSSE!
AGAIN, cut ALL of that crap out and start fresh. Instead of using tape, get some hat shrink tube. It will last longer and ensure those butt connectors NEVER short out again. (assuming that is how you are putting it back together?)

the blue and gray harness are accesorial circuits. Specifically the gray one is for testing your CES codes and like it was said above, the blue is for getting the ABS codes.
'PZ' 4th gen resource guide v.2 - closed-

The speakers.... well.... the Infinity brand is ok. Yours on the other hand, are nothing more than paper weights at this time. What you are looking at is considered the spider, it limits/controls the movement of the cone-- which is MISSING! and THAT is why you are getting "Crappy sound." HAHAHA! there is NOTHING there To Make SOUND!!!
the center piece/speaker is a tweeter. IF you are lucky this is all that is playing right now. I dont want to laugh .. but.. SERIOUSLY!!!!

you have done a nice clean install of the head unit... but I can't help but think that you need a LOT more electrical help.. aka: you are NOT finished with this install.

as for the last little gray harness above the fuse box... I need a better picture of it... what EXACT color are those wires? One looks to be a green wire (base color) with a brown stripe? I just cant tell and am not willing to ponder a guess at this juncture.


/rant
HAHAHAHA omg, im so glad you took the time to respond to this, and im glad i took the time to read your response, im about to leave work and this was a good laugh to kick off my night:)
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would you expect any less from me?

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Re: I finally put in a new stereo

okay, before you read this. let me just say, i have never had any mechanical or electrical experience or have done anything or even been interested in cars until i got my first prelude. but again, i've never really gotten really into cars until i got this prelude. so if i ask you a couple questions or sound like a dumb@$$ plase. don't laugh, i would really appreciate the help and advice you could give me. cuz it seems from your previous posts you know a lot and i would like to learn whatever you can teach me...

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HOLY HELL!

You sir have a mess!
Where to start?????

The Power wire you and your dad installed... Don't. IF you need to get power from the fuse box at LEAST take off the plastic trim panel and run the wire up and out without pinching it in that "door." You are just Asking for failure. But like I said, DON'T.
Well, it wasn't my dad, it was my uncle, and he's gone for a couple months.. My dad knows even less abou cars than me, surprisingly. but yeah, as soon as i read this. i did what you said. with the wire. the whole thing looks cleaner now.

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You have another issue that needs to be addressed. And by the looks of it the previous wiring job is the problem.
Do you see the BLUE wire with a thin Yellow Stripe on it.. it is at the bottom left of your picture...
This IS THE BATTERY 12V POSITIVE POWER LEAD


I though that was the white wire with the yellow stripe. i got that info from the guide at the DYS.

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-- do ya THINK with those wires sticking out it MAY BE SHORTING to ground????????????
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let me answer that for you...."this has caused a short and thusly "burnt" your fuse for the stereo/dash accessories circuit."
well, when i was finished with the wiring. the wires that were left over (wheteher they had current or not) i taped them so there would be no possibility of a short) so how can the short that already happened be fixed? because i really need the thermo/gas part on the dash to work (and the rest of the lights would be great too).

here's how the dash cluster looks righ now with all the lights that turn on rith now.


also, you think that short is the reason why my clock gets dimmer everytime i turn my headlights on? i mean, my last prelude 95 SI didn't do this.

LIGHTS OFF


LIGHTS ON



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PLEASE tell me you cut all that CRAP off the wiring harness back to the stock wires...... PLEEEEEASSSSE!
AGAIN, cut ALL of that crap out and start fresh. Instead of using tape, get some hat shrink tube. It will last longer and ensure those butt connectors NEVER short out again. (assuming that is how you are putting it back together?)
well yes i did. i don't know much about electrical stuff, but i know that nasty/messy/open wires are dangerous, so i cut the extra wires and kept the factory wires only. this made it a bit difficult to work with because the length of the wires that i was left with were short as hell. so i had to use tape. cuz they didn't fit in those tubes.

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the blue and gray harness are accesorial circuits. Specifically the gray one is for testing your CES codes and like it was said above, the blue is for getting the ABS codes.
'PZ' 4th gen resource guide v.2 - closed-
thanks. i'll get more into that later.


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The speakers.... well.... the Infinity brand is ok. Yours on the other hand, are nothing more than paper weights at this time. What you are looking at is considered the spider, it limits/controls the movement of the cone-- which is MISSING! and THAT is why you are getting "Crappy sound." HAHAHA! there is NOTHING there To Make SOUND!!!
the center piece/speaker is a tweeter. IF you are lucky this is all that is playing right now. I dont want to laugh .. but.. SERIOUSLY!!!!
yeah i got rid of those and boutht new ones. they are mc laren. i know they are a cheap brand. but i just put them in for now, untill i find a job and more time to get more into the stereo and sound systems.

as for the tweeters. those were the ones that were dead. so i got new ones. the door speakers are still working fine.

now all my six speakers are working


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you have done a nice clean install of the head unit... but I can't help but think that you need a LOT more electrical help.. aka: you are NOT finished with this install.
i agree. i need to get more knowledgeable about this electrical stuff. and i NEED to find a way to fix the fuses and cables that aren't getting any current (like my uncle told me) cuz this worries me and i can't help but wonder if that might be the reason why my dash or antenna aren't working.



as for the last little gray harness above the fuse box... I need a better picture of it... what EXACT color are those wires? One looks to be a green wire (base color) with a brown stripe? I just cant tell and am not willing to ponder a guess at this juncture.





/rant [/QUOTE]

ALSO ONE LAST QUESTION SINCE YOU KNOW ALOT ABOUT ELECTRICAL WORK ON PRELUDES.

MY DASH HAS THE 4WS LIGHT ON (BECASUE OBVIOUSLY THE REAR WHEELS AREN'T TURNIG) BUT THE SRS LIGHT IS NOT ON (SOMEWHERE IN THE FORUM I READ THAT WHEN ONE IS ON SO SHOULD THE OTHER ONE).

sorry for the blurry picture my camera was acting up and that's the best picture i could take before it froze.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF HOW I COULD FIX THE 4WS? I MEAN I KNOW THAT FEATURE IS ELECTRICAL SO I THOUGHT YOU COULD MAYBE POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION..

THANKS.

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4ws, You use that SAME harness that Renee ( lilmissprelude) told you checks the CES errors, but you look at the blinks on the 4ws light.

USDM 4g 4ws Writeup - NTPOG Forums

I suggest adding that page to your bookmarks. Its in mine. Thats for damn sure.


What I can help you with, is go unplug your 10amp radio fuse ( yes radio ) for 15 seconds. put it back in. and start the car. but DON'T turn the wheel. if the 4ws light stays off, then you know your 4ws unit is getting power. If you want, instead you can use that current tester that you used previously on the connector wires on the 4ws unit located behind your drivers side rear seat in your trunk.

Still, the easiest way to see what is wrong, is to check the code. If its not getting power, it will tell you. Good luck, and I hope its just a 60 ;-)
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WOW... I am impressed.. you took my criticisms and didn't take offense.. +1 for you...

you are heading down the right path and you will be able to learn a lot by continuing to do the same. And not just from me, I am not that good nor am I that egotistical. (contrary to popular belief) I do however try to convey common sense and factual representation...
So, with that being said, let's continue.
(and sorry about the uncle/dad mix up)

about the color code for the B+ wire. Honda used two depending on the production date(s) it will be Blue/White or White/Yellow and the switched B+ will be Yellow/Red
this gets power from fuse # 18 in the under dash fuse panel.

1992-93 Honda Prelude Stereo Wiring Information

most people don't realize they can detach the stereo harness and pull it out from behind the framework that encompasses it... there is not a LOT of extra wire to play with, but enough for you to spend a few minutes and re-attach/repair the hacked wires that were there while adding a little length to them.

My good friend and comrade Stealth has already answered a few of your questions so I will not re-hash those k?

your clock is supposed to dim when you turn your headlights on.. this circuit is part of the dimmer control module which, ironically, is located right behind the clock when you remove this part of your cluster. it is an odd shaped white box with a wire harness connected to it.
Because your lower notifiers (warning lights) come on, we will not assume that the blue connector at the top of your under dash fuse box is the problem k? What we will consider is that the fuel/gauge cluster is not getting power right? This could be anything from a harness connection, burnt fuse, or worst case scenario the on board power supply fried when any one of a number of random shorts surged the "system"

this is where it gets tricky.
The best suggeestion is to d/l the repair manual in the forum I linked you to earlier... the manufacturers gauge test can be found on pdf manual pg 23-139 for the fuel gauge test and 23-142 for the temp sensor.
I will "give" you this one... the large harness at the top of the temp/fuel gauge cluster has a larger yellow wire going into it. Using a Volt meter set to 48 V dc or less, test the yellow wire to ground with the key turned on. If it indicates 11 to 14.5 volts then you can rule out the harness'. The problem is in the cluster itself. It could be the tube, the power supply/transformer on the circuit board itself, etc.

lastly, let me do a lil research and help you figure out what the other single pole harness is by the fuse block.. unless someone else can chime in about it before I have a chance to read up.
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What size are the speakers in the back for a 96 Honda Prelude? I am new to this site. I looked for a add thread tab or something...
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