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Bad shifting? bad motor? what am i doing wrong?

okay. before starting i just want to say a couple of things. I FINALLY STARTED WORKING ON MY PRELUDE!! !!!!!

REALLY EXITED. IT WASN'T MUCH BUT I'M HAPPY CUZ I FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH MY CAR NOW THAT I'M PUTTING MY HANDS INTO IT.

1st thing i did. drained the radiator and put new fluid.
2nd thing. installed a new setero.

i'll put pictures and stuff tomorrow.

but b4 tomorrow. i really wanted to get started on this.

SO THIS IS MY SECOND CAR, AND ALL TOGETHER I GUESS YOU COULD SAY I'VE BEEN DRIVING STICKSHIFT FOR LIKE 7 MONTHS (combining the time i had my last car and this one).

However; there are some things that concern me about my driving.

my first prelude when i got it. it sounded like a beast, when the engine started and everything, it sounded like a fukcen lion. right before i crashed it however, the motor was sounding more like a really old grandma trying to make a "roar"

so i think the motor weakened.

My second prelude. i just got it like 2 weeks ago and i havent' been driving it that long but i guess i'm falling into the same pattern.

the first night i got it, the motor sounded great (like a prelude should sound), now, true, the car has a bunch of problems and makes weird noises when i shift gears, but so long as it's parked and on, the engine sounded great/strong.

now, (two weeks later) i just got back from test driving it around with my new stereo (blasting it up to the max lol) and when i get home i noticed two things.

1. the car now makes a whistling noise (like air is scaping from somewhere, it truely sounds like a wistle) comming from under the hood.

2. the motor just doesn't sound strong. i mean, it sounds half the way it did when i bough it. sounds weaker now. quieter... (i like it loud)

and i can't help but thinking there's a pattern here. my friend told me, maybe is the way that i use the clutch, shif gears, and how hard i hit the gas. (i'm starting to thing he might be righ)




the thing is, I learned to drive stick through hearing people talking about how to drive stick but i have never had anyone teach me.


has this ever happen to anyone else? i mean can anyone tell me what the propper way to drive stick is?


here's how i drive.

i get in first by leaving the clutch, then i press the gass half way in as fast as i can and then and while this is taking place i'm letting go off the clutch slowly. and keep hitting the gas. then, when the RPM's get to like 4 or 5 i shift to the next gear, but if it stays at 4 or righ below, i'll keep it there and keep driving on that gear.

i do the same thing for every gear including reverse.

when i stop. i press the clutch and the break (at the same time) and put it on neutral. i do this at the red lights.

when it come to stop signs, i press the clutch and break(at the same time) and leave it on second gear and then keep going on second once is my turn.

oh yah, i'f i'm driving under 15mph, i keep it in first gear. 15-25 mph is second gear. 25-40 mph is third gear. 40-65 is fourth gear. 65-w/e. is 5th gear.

keep in mind, i taught myself how to drive stick so i know i might be doing it wrong so please don't laugh.

i would appreciate it if you guys told me what i'm doing wrong however..
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Is it down on power or does it just sound like it is down on power?
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Re: Bad shifting? bad motor? what am i doing wrong?

well, the power is good, I just ran it. it's good on power and everything, is just quieter.

i have no mechanical experience whatsoever so it might be just me. however, when i got it the motor sounded louder and stronger, now it doesn't sound as strong and it has this little shaking noise.

plus i know it can't be good because the interior of the car is shaking A LOT MORE than it did when i got it.

i mean, how strong/loud, should a motor sound without including the noise of the exhaust?

sorry for asking stupid questions, it's just that i love my prelude and i want to know as much about it as i possibly can because i want to keep it in tiptop shape cuz i want it to last forever !!!!!!!
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Honestly bro its probably all in your head. Maybe not, but seeing as we can't hear it through the internet unless you provide a video (*hint hint*) , then we really can't help ya out much...

As far as driving, I'd be willing to put money that you are slowly killing your clutch, and should probably adopt slightly less aggressive driving habits. When sitting in your driveway (or better yet, an empty parking lot,) start the car, push in the clutch and put the car in first. Without touching the gas let out the clutch as slowly as you can until you feel the car want to move. Now, if you do that right you can actually get the car rolling, but just do this repeatedly until you are positive you know where the clutch lets out. Once you have that down you can go back and start adding gas. Do as before but when you feel the car want to lurch forward apply as little gas as you can to get it to smoothly take off. It'll take some practice but you'll get it. Usually people say revving to about 2-2500 rpms is about where to take off at. Also, I think most luders shift much earlier. For instance I almost always shift around 3k rpms. This will help gas mileage significantly mind you. thats the gist of how I was taught to drive stick. Once you get the above down, go find a hill (that is in a parking lot or away from any traffic) and go sit at the top of it. Engage the ebrake, and put it in first at a complete stop. Now while releasing the ebrake, slowly let out the clutch to the catch point and apply gas. The goal is to transition from ebrake to engine power as smoothly as possible, and be able to sit on the hill as if with the ebrake on, but only using the engine. I.e. finding the balanc point for your clutch.
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Honestly bro its probably all in your head. Maybe not, but seeing as we can't hear it through the internet unless you provide a video (*hint hint*) , then we really can't help ya out much...

As far as driving, I'd be willing to put money that you are slowly killing your clutch, and should probably adopt slightly less aggressive driving habits. When sitting in your driveway (or better yet, an empty parking lot,) start the car, push in the clutch and put the car in first. Without touching the gas let out the clutch as slowly as you can until you feel the car want to move. Now, if you do that right you can actually get the car rolling, but just do this repeatedly until you are positive you know where the clutch lets out. Once you have that down you can go back and start adding gas. Do as before but when you feel the car want to lurch forward apply as little gas as you can to get it to smoothly take off. It'll take some practice but you'll get it. Usually people say revving to about 2-2500 rpms is about where to take off at. Also, I think most luders shift much earlier. For instance I almost always shift around 3k rpms. This will help gas mileage significantly mind you. thats the gist of how I was taught to drive stick. Once you get the above down, go find a hill (that is in a parking lot or away from any traffic) and go sit at the top of it. Engage the ebrake, and put it in first at a complete stop. Now while releasing the ebrake, slowly let out the clutch to the catch point and apply gas. The goal is to transition from ebrake to engine power as smoothly as possible, and be able to sit on the hill as if with the ebrake on, but only using the engine. I.e. finding the balanc point for your clutch.

^^^ This is how I learned to drive stick. After you can do this on a normal hill, if you have any family or friends with a gravel driveway with a hill like this (there is one at my work) go do the same thing, You have to be able to roll backwards down the hill, and then engage the clutch and gas at the same time and make your way up the hill, slowly, without spinning gravel, then once you get near the top of the hill, stop the car without using any brakes, IE: rebalance the gas and clutch to where it slows you down to a stop and then rebalance again to hold your position without using the brake. Another thing to do is to sit at the top of the gravel hill holding the brake, then quickly get off the brake and balance the gas and clutch to hold the cars position. Do this until you can switch between the two without the car rolling more than an inch. Then go practice this on all different sized hills, this will insure that you never roll back into the person behind you when taking off from a hill, but you also won't be sitting there roasting the tires because you are afraid you are going to roll back. It is challenging, but this is all to teach you to learn where your clutch engages and make you a better driver. Also, this puts a lot of wear on your clutch because you are spinning the engine onto an engaged clutch, so try to keep the rpm's low, IE less than 1500 when doing these balancing acts.
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^^^ This is how I learned to drive stick. After you can do this on a normal hill, if you have any family or friends with a gravel driveway with a hill like this (there is one at my work) go do the same thing, You have to be able to roll backwards down the hill, and then engage the clutch and gas at the same time and make your way up the hill, slowly, without spinning gravel, then once you get near the top of the hill, stop the car without using any brakes, IE: rebalance the gas and clutch to where it slows you down to a stop and then rebalance again to hold your position without using the brake. Another thing to do is to sit at the top of the gravel hill holding the brake, then quickly get off the brake and balance the gas and clutch to hold the cars position. Do this until you can switch between the two without the car rolling more than an inch. Then go practice this on all different sized hills, this will insure that you never roll back into the person behind you when taking off from a hill, but you also won't be sitting there roasting the tires because you are afraid you are going to roll back. It is challenging, but this is all to teach you to learn where your clutch engages and make you a better driver. Also, this puts a lot of wear on your clutch because you are spinning the engine onto an engaged clutch, so try to keep the rpm's low, IE less than 1500 when doing these balancing acts.
this is some awesome advice from both posters. If and when you get this down you will drive a stick alot better.My drive way is gravel and on a hill so i have to do what Brick said every morning. Also taking off on a hill will be a necesity very soon. You HAVE to learn to do that good. But after doing it for a while you can do it while talking on the phone and clipping your toe nails at the same time, although i would not recommend that!
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That's pretty much how I taught myself. I take off to the point where the engine stalls momentarily, lol. The less gas you use, the more you save . I shift at 3k under normal acceleration. When I'm ...being "competitive"... I tend to launch around 3k and shift at 6k

EDIT: When I'm on a hill, I do what my friends call "rocking the boat," lol. I basically just let the clutch out until it pulls me, then release. I repeat that motion. It really lets you know where your engagement point is and takes some skill to maintain on a steep hill.
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^^^ This is how I learned to drive stick. After you can do this on a normal hill, if you have any family or friends with a gravel driveway with a hill like this (there is one at my work) go do the same thing, You have to be able to roll backwards down the hill, and then engage the clutch and gas at the same time and make your way up the hill, slowly, without spinning gravel, then once you get near the top of the hill, stop the car without using any brakes, IE: rebalance the gas and clutch to where it slows you down to a stop and then rebalance again to hold your position without using the brake. Another thing to do is to sit at the top of the gravel hill holding the brake, then quickly get off the brake and balance the gas and clutch to hold the cars position. Do this until you can switch between the two without the car rolling more than an inch. Then go practice this on all different sized hills, this will insure that you never roll back into the person behind you when taking off from a hill, but you also won't be sitting there roasting the tires because you are afraid you are going to roll back. It is challenging, but this is all to teach you to learn where your clutch engages and make you a better driver. Also, this puts a lot of wear on your clutch because you are spinning the engine onto an engaged clutch, so try to keep the rpm's low, IE less than 1500 when doing these balancing acts.
I did this just the other day. Didn't put too much thought into it tho. Driving (a stick and auto) came natural to me. My mother showed me the basics and on that same day I was better than her lol. Good advice tho. Finding out where your clutch and RPMs are most happy is key.
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I did this just the other day. Didn't put too much thought into it tho. Driving (a stick and auto) came natural to me. My mother showed me the basics and on that same day I was better than her lol. Good advice tho. Finding out where your clutch and RPMs are most happy is key.
Indeed, lol.
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Maybe you just got use to it. When I first switched from my miata to the prelude, I was like OMG power. A week later I was just like eh whatever.
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EDIT: When I'm on a hill, I do what my friends call "rocking the boat," lol. I basically just let the clutch out until it pulls me, then release. I repeat that motion. It really lets you know where your engagement point is and takes some skill to maintain on a steep hill.
I love rockin the bot when in a rut at a stop light when I have a freind or someone following me. I try not to do it too much though, freaks other auto drivin peeps out HAHAH.
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I love rockin the bot when in a rut at a stop light when I have a freind or someone following me. I try not to do it too much though, freaks other auto drivin peeps out HAHAH.
HAHA YES! PWN'D! I've actually had people behind me back up like I was going to roll into them or something. It's funny as hell. People are soooo unaware.
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Honestly bro its probably all in your head. Maybe not, but seeing as we can't hear it through the internet unless you provide a video (*hint hint*) , then we really can't help ya out much....
yeah, the thing is that eveytime i tried getting a video of it either the wind interrupted or the noise didn't come out that clear but i'll post a video tomorrow.
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As far as driving, I'd be willing to put money that you are slowly killing your clutch, and should probably adopt slightly less aggressive driving habits. When sitting in your driveway (or better yet, an empty parking lot,) start the car, push in the clutch and put the car in first. Without touching the gas let out the clutch as slowly as you can until you feel the car want to move. Now, if you do that right you can actually get the car rolling, but just do this repeatedly until you are positive you know where the clutch lets out. Once you have that down you can go back and start adding gas. Do as before but when you feel the car want to lurch forward apply as little gas as you can to get it to smoothly take off. It'll take some practice but you'll get it. Usually people say revving to about 2-2500 rpms is about where to take off at. Also, I think most luders shift much earlier. For instance I almost always shift around 3k rpms. This will help gas mileage significantly mind you. thats the gist of how I was taught to drive stick. Once you get the above down, go find a hill (that is in a parking lot or away from any traffic) and go sit at the top of it. Engage the ebrake, and put it in first at a complete stop. Now while releasing the ebrake, slowly let out the clutch to the catch point and apply gas. The goal is to transition from ebrake to engine power as smoothly as possible, and be able to sit on the hill as if with the ebrake on, but only using the engine. I.e. finding the balanc point for your clutch.
thank you so much for this advice!! i started doing this. man, it really does make a difference. i even feel more in control of the car. now all i gotta do is find a heel to keep practicing.
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