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its TOO HOT! where can i get some FREON

k so i got the car with no AC...he said some silver hose was damaged and gave me a replacement hose for it so i think i still have that....but when i had my radiator changed, the mechanic said my AC uses Freon which is really hard to get and therefore really expensive if you do find it?

anyone have a reputable source at a decent price? is there any hope for gettin air conditionin in this lude?? lol i be dying in this damn heat!!
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Re: its TOO HOT! where can i get some FREON

Take it to an AC shop and get it converted to R134a. They'll vacuum the system, then recharge and it should be good. Expect to pay around $125+tax
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autozone to get the recharge kit for dumbies, or go to an AC shop to get it done properly
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Freon is hard to get? I get it for like $5 a can. R12, I believe.
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Use the recharge kit. You'd be surprised at how well it works
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Just to let you know if you didn't already, "converting" over to r134a is only a matter of screwing on two adapters to the high and low side ports or whatever they're called. And then I guess vacuuming the system out, but you have to do that anyways to recharge it. I would recommend buying the little adapters at autozone for about 5 bucks and replace that hose you have and then take it to a a/c shop and have them do it since they have the right tools and know-how. That's what I'd do, if I didn't have an Uncle that's a/c certified with all the right tools (and lives down the street) On a side note, I still don't have a/c either! But that's for other reasons... lol
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Freon is hard to get? I get it for like $5 a can. R12, I believe.
i believe its R134a or something like that, i know R12 is hard to get if you can even get it anymore, from what im told. my jeep has r12 freon and i would need to convert my whole AC unit to use the new stuff. but our ludes could be different and run the r12.
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Just to let you know if you didn't already, "converting" over to r134a is only a matter of screwing on two adapters to the high and low side ports or whatever they're called. And then I guess vacuuming the system out, but you have to do that anyways to recharge it. I would recommend buying the little adapters at autozone for about 5 bucks and replace that hose you have and then take it to a a/c shop and have them do it since they have the right tools and know-how. That's what I'd do, if I didn't have an Uncle that's a/c certified with all the right tools (and lives down the street) On a side note, I still don't have a/c either! But that's for other reasons... lol
From what was already said if you do have to convert it just go to Autozone and get the conversion kit (Don't get charged for something like that) and do it yourself. After doing the conversion you can go forth and go to a shop to charge your A/C system. When I was recharging my A/C I first got all of the moisture out of the system. I've seen garages that do not have the proper equipment merely just press the little needle on the end of the a/c line. (Im sure this is wrong but they do it). Also, I believe it is illegal to do this due to environment and that's why most garages have the machine.(Don't quote me on this though) Afterwards, I turned my car on and the a/c to full blast, set up my can of freon with the hose, next I connect the hoses to my new adapters, and this point my a/c system took in the freon. I believe two cans did it for me and I watched my gauge which indicates when it full to see how much is needed. My A/C compressor kicked on at this point. One time I did this on another car and something else other not having freon was wrong with the system. It could have been a fuse, relay, a leak, or your a/c compressor, or something else.(I never found out as it was not my car) It is not something that is not hard but something you should do if you feel comfortable. I would take the advice of PunkBuster and do the initial things first and get it recharged at a shop.
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The nonenvironmental aka "illegal" way would get a standard recharge kit from your local Zone of Auto taking a screw driver to the high side needle while holding your breathe being careful not to breathe in any chemicals let sit for awhile and the air to clear then simply charge the system. That is the bad bad bad way to perform this and is in no way shape or form the suggested way to do it. Breathing in this chemical will freeze your lunges and kill you and that would be one less prelude guy in the world and we cannot have that. on the lighter side there would be another prelude up for grabs.
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The nonenvironmental aka "illegal" way would get a standard recharge kit from your local Zone of Auto taking a screw driver to the high side needle while holding your breathe being careful not to breathe in any chemicals let sit for awhile and the air to clear then simply charge the system. That is the bad bad bad way to perform this and is in no way shape or form the suggested way to do it. Breathing in this chemical will freeze your lunges and kill you and that would be one less prelude guy in the world and we cannot have that. on the lighter side there would be another prelude up for grabs.
LOL You are definitely correct in what you are saying. I just did mine myself due to not really having the cash to pay to get my a/c system done. The kit at Autozone or a parts spot is just a recharge kit where I do not believe they recommend a person to take out any moisture in your system. But If you do not remove the moisture in the system you can potentially damage your A/C. With all of the complications so to speak it is a wise idea to get your a/c system done at a shop. Sorry if I made seem like good idea to do it yourself just something I did.

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Re: its TOO HOT! where can i get some FREON

thanks for the replies guys....i got a couple mixed responses here...sorry i shoulda gave some better background info...its a 92 lude that i was told requires the R12 stuff....from what i hear, the R12 stuff is now "illegal" and therefore hard/expensive to get, and i read that the r134 stuff people use in place of freon has problems, which is why i was leaning toward finding some R12...

this is what i read just on wikianswers about r134a:
"R12 is difficult to find and they do sell conversion kits to make R12 systems compatible for R134a, but something most people won't inform you of is the fact R12 seals and oil protect against the chlorine in the freon where R134a uses a hydrogen setup. If you do convert a R12 system to R134a the hydrogen molecule in it is going to ruin every seal and oil in the system because its more corrosive, so if you can spend the extra for the R12 because long run its going to be way cheaper for you and last longer."

any validity or experience to back up that statement that i read?

if the r134a is ok, then i guess i can just do one of the options given above to convert my system
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all that you read on wiki is entirely false.


certified shops will sell R-12 but its very expensive.

if i wanted to i can just walk into O'Reilly and buy R-12, then again i have a certification through the EPA and a ASE certification in mobile air conditioning.
there is no point in staying with R12, if you think about what if it leaks again then your going to be out money you've just spent on r-12.

R-12 system use mineral oil to lubricate the compressor and other parts, R-134a use several synthetic lubricants for example. PAG150, PAG100,PAG40 and so on.
R-12 oil is compatible with R-134a, but NOT vise-verse!!.
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the proper step in which to convert to R134a to replace the fittings to a shredder valve type both Low and High side. Most people think that's all they have to do, false!!
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i can't remember if our cars have a receiver /dryer or suction accumulator hopefully someone else can help out here. replace the the receiver/ dryer or the suction accumulator with a new one because R-12 desiccant are different from R-134a desiccant. desiccant is the stuff inside a receiver/dryer or the suction accumulator, that removes moister from the system.
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the next step is to flush the system, this isn't necessarily an important step, and the stuff to flush the system with cost **** load of money.
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after that you need to place the system into vacuum for at least 15min, i recommend for at least 30min, and should hold steady for 2-5min with 30inhg vacuum.
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next its time to add the oil. i believe its pag 100 for our cars, i could be wrong here.
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finally add the R-134a and place the label on the hood indicating that your car has been converted over to r134a
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ok so in regards to "the proper step in which to convert to R134a to replace the fittings to a shredder valve type both Low and High side. Most people think that's all they have to do, false!!"

where do i get the shredder valves?

"replace the the receiver/ dryer or the suction accumulator with a new one because R-12 desiccant are different from R-134a desiccant."

where do i get the receiver/dryer or suction accumulator?

"place the system into vacuum for at least 15min"

um...how do i do that? lol



is this something that is a relatively easy DIY? or should i just have a shop do it? what IS an AC shop..i dont think i know of any shops that do just ACs...or can it be a place that does household ACs as well? can most mechanic shops do this??



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Just to let you know if you didn't already, "converting" over to r134a is only a matter of screwing on two adapters to the high and low side ports or whatever they're called. And then I guess vacuuming the system out, but you have to do that anyways to recharge it. I would recommend buying the little adapters at autozone for about 5 bucks and replace that hose you have and then take it to a a/c shop and have them do it since they have the right tools and know-how. That's what I'd do, if I didn't have an Uncle that's a/c certified with all the right tools (and lives down the street) On a side note, I still don't have a/c either! But that's for other reasons... lol
any pics/links or nethin to show me them valves and how do i vacuum the system out?
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ok so in regards to "the proper step in which to convert to R134a to replace the fittings to a shredder valve type both Low and High side. Most people think that's all they have to do, false!!"

where do i get the shredder valves?
Advance auto parts or any other auto parts store.

"replace the the receiver/ dryer or the suction accumulator with a new one because R-12 desiccant are different from R-134a desiccant."

where do i get the receiver/dryer or suction accumulator?
Advance auto parts or any other auto parts store.
"place the system into vacuum for at least 15min"

um...how do i do that? lol
this is where you might want to take it into a shop, or see if you can rent a machine


is this something that is a relatively easy DIY? or should i just have a shop do it? what IS an AC shop..i dont think i know of any shops that do just ACs...or can it be a place that does household ACs as well? can most mechanic shops do this??

any place with the right equipment will be able to do it

is this the kit that some of you guys were talking about?
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EZ Chill R-12 to R-134a Recharge and Retrofit Kit by Interdynamics - Part RKR-8 - Advance Auto Parts




any pics/links or nethin to show me them valves and how do i vacuum the system out?


i recommend you take it to a shop, its way less of a headache for you.
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i recommend you take it to a shop, its way less of a headache for you.
yea i plan on taking it to the shop definitely for the latter portion like everyone says....but looks like everyone is saying to do the valve and vacuuming portion myself

when you say i can get the parts at advance auto parts, should i just describe what i need or say those names you said, and theyll most likely know what i need?

is it like a universal part or car specific?

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the valves are universals,
then ask for a receiver/ dryer for your car, then they will ask you if you want the r12 or r134a.

as doing it your self, i would say just let them do all the work, just in case if anything goes wrong.
if they charge it and it leaks again because you didn't get the valves on there right or tight, they will still charge you. you see what im getting at here.
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the valves are universals,
then ask for a receiver/ dryer for your car, then they will ask you if you want the r12 or r134a.

as doing it your self, i would say just let them do all the work, just in case if anything goes wrong.
if they charge it and it leaks again because you didn't get the valves on there right or tight, they will still charge you. you see what im getting at here.
ok cool...so ill just provide them the valves to see if that lowers price a bit.....any idea what i should be paying for this job? or how long it would take so i could see how much labor $ we're talking...?

what im gunna do first is go to a local Aamco for the free AC check to basically have em check it out and see if i can even actually make it work.... i know a recharge ISNT all it needs... i just wanna make sure that hose is the only other repair that needs to be done....after i see what they say, i can hopefully go ahead with the recharge
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I'm wondering what are great brands for a desiccant bag? I need to make an urgent replacement of this bag and freon to my prelude. Thanks!

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