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Timing Belt, Studdering, and Hesitation...

Hey guys,
I really need some good, straight forward, help or advice.
I've researched around and I can never seem to find someone with the same problem as me.
A lot of similar situations but I think it would be best for you guys to know exactly what is going on with my car in order to give me the best advice.
So here's what's happening.
It seems like my car only does this on days when it decides to be an ass hole.
I have a 1995 Prelude SE with an H23a non vtec engine.

-When I first start the car it seems to idle a bit high.(usually between 1000-1500) This is how I usually know it is going to happen.
-When I take off in first gear it studders a lot, rocking back and forth.
-When I come to a complete stop then begin to accelerate and push on the gas; for a split second it seems like the car turns off the turns back on all of a sudden creating this huge studder or hesitation.
-When I shift in to 2nd, it does the exact same thing with a lot of rocking back and forth.
-It will often continue the rocking back and forth, studdering motion, throughout all the gears. Even when I'm going 65 the car will be studdering.
-When my car is doing the whole studdering, rocking back and forth, i will put the accelerator to the floor and it barely accelerates.(I've only done this in 2nd and 3rd gear.)
Idk if that would be useful information or not.
Thanks again.

Like I said before, I've searched and searched and searched but just not have come across the same problems that my car is having.
I have read stuff about the timing belt, the EGR(which mine is clean), the injectors, and all kinds of different things.
I really like my car, but this problem is just persisting and it gets really frustrating because I want my car to run well.
I have even considered selling my car because of this. So if you guys could offer me any kind of solid help or advice, that would be so great.
Thanks for taking the time to read all of this.

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Re: Timing Belt, Studdering, and Hesitation...

Oh I also forgot to add that when my car is doing the whole studdering, rocking back and forth, i will put the accelerator to the floor and it barely accelerates.
Idk if that would be useful information or not.
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Re: Timing Belt, Studdering, and Hesitation...

i had this problem with my old grand am. it was the coil pack. i would start by checking your spark plug connections and wires coming from the distributor. this happend one time in my lude when a buddy was helping me put it back together and didnt put the spark plug boot all the way on the spark plug. hope thats your issue. if it IS the coil pack you could maybe get one from a junk yard for cheap or if you have to buy new might cost a hundo or two. hope this helps
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Yeah, my car did this when I first bought it, I did a tune up on it (spark plugs, Wires, Dizzy Cap and Rotor, Oil change) and it fixed it right up :) I had a cracked boot on cylinder 4 and the plugs were trashed, as well as the dude not even having the one wire connected... Friggin morons..
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i had this problem with my old grand am. it was the coil pack. i would start by checking your spark plug connections and wires coming from the distributor. this happend one time in my lude when a buddy was helping me put it back together and didnt put the spark plug boot all the way on the spark plug. hope thats your issue. if it IS the coil pack you could maybe get one from a junk yard for cheap or if you have to buy new might cost a hundo or two. hope this helps
Thanks for the response man!
I actually changed my spark plugs recently(about 1 month ago).
I'll have to check to make sure all the wires are on there tight.
And I'll definitely also look into the coil pack issue.
Hopefully its not too severe.
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Yeah, my car did this when I first bought it, I did a tune up on it (spark plugs, Wires, Dizzy Cap and Rotor, Oil change) and it fixed it right up :) I had a cracked boot on cylinder 4 and the plugs were trashed, as well as the dude not even having the one wire connected... Friggin morons..
Thanks for the response!
I changed the spark plugs and oil when I first got the car, and I've put on maybe 800 miles since then.
The problem still persisted.
I will check the wires though. That may be an issue.
I'll also look into the cap and rotor.
I really hope its nothing too serious. It's just really frustrating to feel the jerking all the time. =/
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i would check your distributor. I have one where the rotor wasnt fastened down all the way and it did the exact same thing. Just take the dizzy cap off and look at the rotor. if its loose tighten the bolt handing it down. But check for where on the rotor and the peg it is attached to. good luck
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i would check your distributor. I have one where the rotor wasnt fastened down all the way and it did the exact same thing. Just take the dizzy cap off and look at the rotor. if its loose tighten the bolt handing it down. But check for where on the rotor and the peg it is attached to. good luck
Thanks for the response man!
well everyone who has responded has said something about the distributor.
so i'll def check it out.
Hopefully thats what it is.
Its getting really frustrating.
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ill keep you guys updated!
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you got like a forum bot or something?
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thanks for the response man!

you got like a forum bot or something?
uhh no i jus like to thank anyone who responded.
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You need to put more info ,like mileage any up grades that the car came with ,do you know if its the original engine ,also does it have a check engine light on ? is it a auto or five speed ?do you Know if it has an original ecu ? . The reason i am asking these question is because the problem you mention could be anything from a bad o2 sensor to a bad fuel regulator ,fuel filter fuel pump even a simple ground wire could cause some issues .The guys here are always going try to help but some times is a little difficult because not enough information is given .Try to post back to us we will do our best .
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You need to put more info ,like mileage any up grades that the car came with ,do you know if its the original engine ,also does it have a check engine light on ? is it a auto or five speed ?do you Know if it has an original ecu ? . The reason i am asking these question is because the problem you mention could be anything from a bad o2 sensor to a bad fuel regulator ,fuel filter fuel pump even a simple ground wire could cause some issues .The guys here are always going try to help but some times is a little difficult because not enough information is given .Try to post back to us we will do our best .
definitely man.
my bad for not putting as much info.
its a 1995 prelude SE.
original h23a engine with about 158,500 miles.
its completely stock.
manual transmission.
and I'm pretty sure the ECU is original.
The check engine light is on, which i thought was due to the EGR needing cleaned but it turns out it was clean. So im not sure why its on now.
recently changed the spark plugs and oil. about 800 miles ago(1 1/2 months ago).
i think i may need a new O2 sensor but im not sure how to check on that?
any other info needed, just ask.
i really need help with this guys. its really discouraging to have this as an ongoing problem. =/
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it was just a joke man. just messin givin you a hard time. you know anyone with the same style lude as you? if so you could try their parts on (coil, distributor etc.) to see if this solves problem before you go out and spend a bunch of money.
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it was just a joke man. just messin givin you a hard time. you know anyone with the same style lude as you? if so you could try their parts on (coil, distributor etc.) to see if this solves problem before you go out and spend a bunch of money.
na man im the only one in my town with this style lude.
i know two other guys who have 98's
but they have h22's.
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Re: Timing Belt, Studdering, and Hesitation...

I'm about to change out the spark plugs in my car too, I have the same issue.
My uncle owns a car lot, so he helps me get parts for cheap, but I really hope its not a coil pack...
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I'm about to change out the spark plugs in my car too, I have the same issue.
My uncle owns a car lot, so he helps me get parts for cheap, but I really hope its not a coil pack...
Dang that sucks man.
must be a prelude thing.
sorry to hear that though man.
I definitely feel your pain and i hope this whole thread can help you find some answers.
I'm still searching for them myself and if i find a fix ill definitely let everyone know.
Next on my list,
-check o2 sensor.
lets hope that works.
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Dang that sucks man.
must be a prelude thing.
sorry to hear that though man.
I definitely feel your pain and i hope this whole thread can help you find some answers.
I'm still searching for them myself and if i find a fix ill definitely let everyone know.
Next on my list,
-check o2 sensor.
lets hope that works.
good luck man.
yea, all i need is time and money. too bad theyre both hard to come by. haha
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yea, all i need is time and money. too bad theyre both hard to come by. haha
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i feel you on that man.
sometimes you have to sacrifice a little though.
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I would pull those engine codes and diagnose why the light is on, and then solve the problem, and then try and tackle everything else, for all you know, the engine light could tell you why the car is running like dogballs :Biggrin: Lol.

Here is a link and how to on pulling engine codes:

How To Diagnose Engine Error Codes For Your Honda Prelude

And here is a link to the chart that tells you what is wrong once you have pulled those codes:

Error Code Chart for Honda Prelude

You may have to dig around in side the center console, behind your radio before you find the 2P connector, as a lot of times if the person who put your stereo in took it to a shop, the shop will tuck the 2P connector away with the rest of the wires.

Also, for each long blink, it is counting by tens. Each short blink, you just add one.

So if you had 2 long blinks and 3 short ones after it, it would be code 23. If you had 4 long blinks and 1 short one, it would be code 41. And so on and so forth.

Get that CEL diagnosed and then get back to us
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I would pull those engine codes and diagnose why the light is on, and then solve the problem, and then try and tackle everything else, for all you know, the engine light could tell you why the car is running like dogballs :Biggrin: Lol.

Here is a link and how to on pulling engine codes:

How To Diagnose Engine Error Codes For Your Honda Prelude

And here is a link to the chart that tells you what is wrong once you have pulled those codes:

Error Code Chart for Honda Prelude

You may have to dig around in side the center console, behind your radio before you find the 2P connector, as a lot of times if the person who put your stereo in took it to a shop, the shop will tuck the 2P connector away with the rest of the wires.

Also, for each long blink, it is counting by tens. Each short blink, you just add one.

So if you had 2 long blinks and 3 short ones after it, it would be code 23. If you had 4 long blinks and 1 short one, it would be code 41. And so on and so forth.

Get that CEL diagnosed and then get back to us
thanks a lot for those links man!
i really needed that!
i had heard that you could do it that way but had no idea how.
this is gonna help a lot!
and i have the stock honda radio so it shouldnt be too difficult to find.
I'll definitely do this and get back to you guys.
appreciate it man!
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question:
is the connecter where i diagnose the check engine light usually connected to something else?
or does it just hang freely?
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It should be just hanging freely behind the radio, but it took me a while to find it, I actually had ended up popping out my ashtray and then I could see it perfectly, so I put my hand in there and pushed the connector down until I could grab it from the footwells.
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It should be just hanging freely behind the radio, but it took me a while to find it, I actually had ended up popping out my ashtray and then I could see it perfectly, so I put my hand in there and pushed the connector down until I could grab it from the footwells.
Oh ok thanks!
i actually reached behind the drive side panel of the center console near the gas pedal and i felt a wire that felt like it was hanging freely and i just pulled it out and it was 2p connector!
i just didnt know if it was supposed to be that easy.
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another question:
when i do the reset ecu step, will that turn off the CEL?
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well i just did the diagnostic thing on my car.
I got 9 short blinks.
in the code chart 9 means no. 1 cylinder position.
sounds bad.
not sure what to do next.
discouraged once again..
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i had the same problem and i took it to a guy who works on imports and he put a newer distributor in and it seemed to help...a little. It still hesitates at times but goes right away, still pisses me off but not nearly as bad as before. I had posted a thread about this also and after having my distributor changed out people told me to play with the timing, i still havent on a count of i have no clue what to do haha but i hope you figure it out man and maybe this helped a little
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Re: Timing Belt, Studdering, and Hesitation...

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another question:
when i do the reset ecu step, will that turn off the CEL?
Yes, you can reset the ECU by either pulling the radio fuse and letting it sit without running for 5 minutes, or disconnecting the battery for 5 minutes, either way resets the ECU, but the CEL will return.

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well i just did the diagnostic thing on my car.
I got 9 short blinks.
in the code chart 9 means no. 1 cylinder position.
sounds bad.
not sure what to do next.
discouraged once again..
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And what the guy above me posted is correct, replace your distributor because that code is for a sensor that detects the cylinder position and when it fires.

Hope you get it all worked out man.
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Re: Timing Belt, Studdering, and Hesitation...

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i had the same problem and i took it to a guy who works on imports and he put a newer distributor in and it seemed to help...a little. It still hesitates at times but goes right away, still pisses me off but not nearly as bad as before. I had posted a thread about this also and after having my distributor changed out people told me to play with the timing, i still havent on a count of i have no clue what to do haha but i hope you figure it out man and maybe this helped a little
yea man this is definitely frustrating!
especially when my car runs good for a day or two and then the next day it jus runs bad.
and yea a lot of people have told me to change out the distributor so im def gonna do that soon.
hopefully it fixes the problem
appreciate it man and good luck with your car.
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Re: Timing Belt, Studdering, and Hesitation...

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Yes, you can reset the ECU by either pulling the radio fuse and letting it sit without running for 5 minutes, or disconnecting the battery for 5 minutes, either way resets the ECU, but the CEL will return.



And what the guy above me posted is correct, replace your distributor because that code is for a sensor that detects the cylinder position and when it fires.

Hope you get it all worked out man.
yea im working on getting the distributor replaced now.
hopefully it works!
thanks for the help man!
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