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94 Prelude S, Need some ideas for eng

Ok, so I was on I-71 yesterday night and my lude was running great. I heard a ****ed up sound, realized the car was runnin like ****, then I pulled over shut it off, then realized that it was overheating(How could I not have noticed? :O ) so I called a friend of mine and got it towed home because it wouldn't start after it cooled down.


This morning I went to grab my laptop out of it and decided to see if itd start, it did so i immediately shut it off so i could get someone to help me diagnose.

Anyway, so a friend who is a complete honda nut came over, and said that it jumped time, and on cyl 2 the spark plug thing was mashed(he guessed could be a rod let go). I haven't checked any other spark plugs, other than cyl 2, both are black as hell. Now, I assume that it overheated because of low oil it ran hot.. However it jumped time, somehow. So tomorrow or sometime I'm going to put it back in time, and barrow spark plugs from this spare h23 I have(if they work haha).


Anyhow. I have complete h23 dropout sitting in my garage, that needs the bottom end rebuilt (bearings if im not mistaken???) and more than likely ****ed f22 in my prelude.

I found a f22b1 for a decent price on clist with 80k miles on it out of a 97 accord. I was thinking about throwing the h23 on the f22b1 and putting that in my lude and driving it. However, would it be smarter to just rebuild the h23? Rebuild the f22? Curl into a ball and cry?

I need my lude running asap, so if I can get ahold of that f22b1 I think i'm gonna go that route, but idk how difficult that'll be to put in my lude due to the obd2 factor.

So, should I ATTEMPT my first rebuild? Or just get that engine? I feel if I got that f22b1 and used that h23 tranny and tossed it in my lude i'd be golden, but if that's a dumb idea, could anyone tell me otherwise?

And last question, what ELSE could be wrong with my f22? My bud said if I fix the timing, and replace plugs, its 50/50 wether it either runs again, or a rod let go. It doesnt sound like a rod knocking or anything when it was running this morning(note, it was running like ****).

Appreciate any help.
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Re: 94 Prelude S, Need some ideas for eng

well..
rebuild the f22b, turbo time!

but, basically, if you want your car running that bad, and you arent patient enough to actually take the time to research; you'll be losing more and like your bud said, have a 50/50 of running and blowing it up, if you research and do the build with patiencee you can have 99/1 of a chance :P and have a better/faster/stronger car :P

i learned that f22/h23/h22 have interchangeable parts so, your good with that aha.

personally, i'd attempted to do my first rebuild, its a great learning experience.
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Re: 94 Prelude S, Need some ideas for eng

Well, i'd love to rebuild don't get me wrong, but I have NO idea how(ok, I do...but..i'm slightly afraid to), and I feel my car would be down for a really long time lol.

This is the engine I found:






I can get that for trading my head unit, and then have an engine. I don't feel i'll find a buyer any time soon for things I am trying to sell, and to get rebuild parts i'd need $. But, would the f22b1 with a h23 tranny be a bad combination?
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Re: 94 Prelude S, Need some ideas for eng

Good luck with your Lude. Do some research before you let any of your parts go.

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Re: 94 Prelude S, Need some ideas for eng

IM just glad you didnt call your car a type s. props
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Re: 94 Prelude S, Need some ideas for eng

lol.

Well, I could possibly find someone to rebuild it for me, but id be looking at more downtime...


Could anyone explain to me how to put this f22a1 into time? I kinda don't wanna **** **** up, but I think a rod let go tbh.
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Re: 94 Prelude S, Need some ideas for eng

First of all, you can and in my opinion should use the H23 tranny with the F22.
H series and F series manual trannys are interchangeable. Is actually kind of popular for accord owners to change their trannys to the H series tranny because of their shorter gears ratio, to give the car better acceleration.

About the engine, if I were you and needed the car ASAP I will go with the F22 you found. Use the H23 tranny with it, drop it in and be on my way. However, if you can have a little down time, have the knowledge, tools and someone to help you a little, I thinks this calls for a G22 hybrid. G22 = F22 block + H23 head
You have all the parts already

That way you benefit from the better air flow of the H23 head and still have the iron cylinders of the F22 which makes for a pretty strong engine. After all that, that engine will be begging for a turbo.

But keep in mind the G22 will take some research on your part and will be more complicated than just dropping the F22. Is just an idea I'm throwing out there for you. That and a little repressed desire of mine to built one and turbo the hell out of it

About rebuilding versus getting another one, I'll check some places around to see how much they'll charge you and compare it to how much another engine will cost you. Sometimes is better to rebuild and other times is not worth it since you will end up spending the same or more than getting another engine.

But before jumping to any of this, how about a compression test on your engine to see how bad it really is. I mean, if it starting, maybe is not as bad as you think. If you and your friend could fix the timing and put new spark plugs it will be a lot cheaper and easier than a engine swap.
Don't rush it. Try to find out how bad the engine really is and if it's too mess up then start thinking about the swap

Good luck and let us know how it goes
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Re: 94 Prelude S, Need some ideas for eng

Well, I think in cyl2, a rod let go possibly. Because the 2 cylinders in the middle are not in the same position.
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Re: 94 Prelude S, Need some ideas for eng

Ok. Confirmed. A rod let go. Damn!
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Ok. Confirmed. A rod let go. Damn!


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Re: 94 Prelude S, Need some ideas for eng

Actually, I have a picture..

Pulled head off... to see a shattered piston! And that bitch will NOT move. Will pull oil pan and see where the rod is aha....

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Re: 94 Prelude S, Need some ideas for eng

Dayum. Time for boots!
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Re: 94 Prelude S, Need some ideas for eng

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I don't get it lol.
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