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Air conditioning not blowing cold enough 4th gen

Hello all. This is a great site. I recently had a 93si totalled so I took the payout from the insurance and bought another 93si because I love them so much.
Anyway the car's exterior(factory fire engine red) and interior(flawless black cloth) are in immaculate shape. The only things that arent up to snuff are the a/c and the cruise control which doesnt work. The a/c is my primary concern as I live in georgia.
I used this website to figure out that I need to overhaul the a/c controller unit. I just got it fixed on ebay for 45.00. Works like a champ now.

My problem is the a/c is not blowing very cold. I would say it's 60% of max cold. I added R134a to the low pressure port using EZchill. I filled it up until the EZchill gauge was in the upper blue which is supposed to be optimum.

My question is where to go from here, all the appropriate fuses under the dash and under the hood seem to be in perfect working order. What is the next step I should take to get my lude blowing ice cold like my old one. Thanks all.

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Re: Air conditioning not blowing cold enough 4th gen

hey bro have the system evacuated and checked for leaks before spending a wad of doe ,have it charged with new freon, also it could be a bad condenser ,or evaporator bottle,weak compressor , and also over charging with too much freon.
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Re: Air conditioning not blowing cold enough 4th gen

Thanks John. I have a follow up question. I followed the troubleshooting guide in the online manual on page 22-12. Both my fans radiator and condensor dont spin when I crank the car. ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO SPIN WHEN YOU CRANK THE CAR IMMEDIATELY? When I hit the A/C button they both come on. So I followed the steps in 22-12 and I had voltage and a good ground on the ECT connector and also my lower radiator hose was hot. The chart says I need to replace the ECT A switch. Does this sound right? Any input?
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No, they turn on twice as the car warms up.
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Re: Air conditioning not blowing cold enough 4th gen

Cool, thanks Shatterbox. so i guess my fans are working correctly. Im thinking its that ECT A switch is bad or it just needs to be emptied and refilled. Another question,

HOW CAN YOU TELL FOR SURE IF YOUR COMPRESSOR CLUTCH IS ENGAGING?
Do you look visually or is it a sound?
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Re: Air conditioning not blowing cold enough 4th gen

Okay answer to the clutch question ; The clutch wouldn't engage if there wasn't enough freon in the system,and the noise you here would be noticeable , also check the pressure switch on the top of the condenser you can jump it to activated the clutch , some times the whole system needs changing because of a thing called black death ,its when the system is old and hasn't been used it t turns freon into sludge causing bad odor and backup ac lines witch in turn ,have to replace with every part of the ac system ,that's why i said get it tested.
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UPDATE: Just got back from getting it tested at the garage. At first they thought as I did, that it just needed to be purged and filled with new r134a. However, once they got the new freon in it still wouldnt get very cold. Bottom line the senior tech said I need a new compressor(it's not working properly due to age), a new condensor(why?), and a new dryer(why?)!!

Grand total: $977. I said I'll be back. I'm pretty sure I could replace the compressor myself and see if that fixes it. Any ideas where to get one on the cheap? Ebay? Thanks all.
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Re: Air conditioning not blowing cold enough 4th gen

to me it sounds like either, A. they don't know what the problem is so they're gonna change the most likely to cause the problem parts. or B. they know what the problem is, but since you seem to know very little about A/C systems, they can get some money out of you by "doing" more work then is necessary. my vote goes to the latter of the 2. if its a mechanic you know and trust, eh, whatever, disregard my previous statement. but if not, and they "replace" the 3 mentioned components, do make sure they actually replaced them.

ebay, maybe. i don't trust ebay though. but that's just me. you can get a refurbished one from any auto parts store. they are as good as new. that's typically the cheapest you can get. by all means, if you can do the compressor yourself, do it. it will save you labor costs which can be a bitch. and if it fixes the problem then it saves you even more from replacing those other parts.
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Re: Air conditioning not blowing cold enough 4th gen

I totally agree Beaker. The mechanics seemed shady. I dont have a regular mechanic or shop, but my mom takes her car to this place. I'm thinking its the compressor and I think I can replace it myself following the Honda manual. Have you or anyone on this site swapped one out? If you have any info or advice would be very helpful. Thanks again.
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Re: Air conditioning not blowing cold enough 4th gen

replacing parts of a refrigeration system is something anyone can do on their own if they have the proper equipment. to do it the refrigerant should be properly recovered. replacing any part on the system is pointless unless a proper leak test and vacuum are performed before the new refrigerant are added.
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Look on RockAuto Auto Parts They have some very affordable A/C components. I'm about to buy myself a new dryer and compressor because I think my compressor is on it's way out.
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Re: Air conditioning not blowing cold enough 4th gen

Greetings,...I was having the same problem,...My problem ended up being the heater control valve on the firewall under the hood,its located about the center under the intake manifold.I hope this helps,and like I say I was having the same issues and it ended up being the heater control valve which was a very easy fix.
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Seeing this is a '93, did it come from the factory with R12? Or has it always been R134a? Generally speaking, R12 systems that have been converted often do not function as well with R134a. You could try and find a shop that carries Freeze 12 or I-12a. They're both R12 alternatives that function better than R134a
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Re: Air conditioning not blowing cold enough 4th gen

The shop is talking about a complete retrofit. Which you prolly don't need. And the only way to test if its working right and blowing the right temperature is to actually test it, there are testing procedures and you need to measure temperature.

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PLEASE check your heater control valve before you go threw anything else.Its very easy to check and Hondas are bad about the heater control valve going bad.It would only take you five miniutes.
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Re: Air conditioning not blowing cold enough 4th gen

man dont use AC use windows and sunroof :D! man its been straight up 100s here. and i just use my windows <3 lol. but yea it just does sound like a compressor.
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How do you check the heater control valve? Where is it? How do you test it? Thanks.
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http://blastmatic.net/documents/pdf/...ice_manual.pdf you shouldnt have any problems finding the location of it in the service manual,...also once you find it,you will figiure out how to test it,...its very easy and self explanitory,...goodluck,...and happy testing,...hope it solves your problem,...if you need further help,just hollar,...
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Sorry its been awhile. I found the heater control valve on the firewall under the intake. It's a small little bitch, it took me awhile to eyeball it. I checked the heater control valve on the firewall. It does move when I move the climate control slider on the dash. I dont know if the range of motion is 100%. It moves from about 10 degrees forward from inline with the hose its on to about 60 degrees forward from that when I move the slider all the way to the right on the dash. I hope that makes sense. Basically it is moving which was the main point of me checking it.

Also the engine does not make a significant or any jump in RPMs when I hit the a/c button. However, I dont know how much if any r134 I have left in the system after I took it to the garage last month. I think he emptied it. I can see the compressor spinning. So do I need a new compressor or do I need to further investigate the heater control valve? Maybe its broken inside or not opening and/or closing completely. Thanks.
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Hummm,...Yeah I had to disconnect mine were its hooked up to the control valve then flipped it completely from one side to the other to see if there was a difference.I found that it was actually the valve and was able to slide it over to allow it to close the heat valve completely to allow just the cold air to flow.You may also wanna check you anti freeze and I too use R134 as well.Also man mine doesnt change really when just sitting there as far as RPM and sound and etc.I have a VTEC specialist put in a new idle air contol valve for me and when he did he adjusted it to were I cant really tell a difference.I know at times I can tell when Im driving but at a idle just sitting there trying to figiure things out by ear,and eye,I just personally cant tell when my compressor is engaged or when its not,...I dont know I aint a mechanic,Im just trying to help you from my experiences.Make sure your car is warmed up and idling properly then try to tell.I dont know I hope this helps,...!!!
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I cant find the heater control valve. I searched it in the manual but can't find it. Could someone guide me in the right direction please.
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Ok well its on the firewall,...about center ways below the intake manifold,...I hope this helps,...
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Btw,...Jossrock,...did you ever get your problem resolved,...???
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No I havn't. I'm going out there today or tomorrow to see if I can jimmy the heater control valve or completely remove it to see if thats the problem. I've been driving my 99 GMC Sierra which has ice cold A/C so I havnt been paying the attention to the lude that it deserves, except washing it of course. :)
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@jossrock,...yeah well ill be around if i can help.You can just disconnect the control cable from the thermastat that goes to the heater control valve,...then move the vavle all the way to one side and try it,...then move it all the way to the other side.If neither of them works,...then you know its not the heater control valve.Yeah I aint been running mine lately,..I put in a new idle air control valve and it need to be adjusted a lil more,...when the a/c is on,...just aint had the chance.Im also thinking about salen it as well,...so I dont know yet.If you know anyone near NC that wants a super nice 4th gen with alot of goodies,...send them my way.I hate to get rid of it but I really want a Honda Passport,...I need more room,.....
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@Tyslin thanks for the input brother, I will do exactly that with the control valve today to put a rest to it. I need to buy some coolant though because I'm pretty sure it's dry after I left the garage the last time even though it was at least half full when I went....dirbags. Anyway, will keep updates coming and will let you know if I run into anyone interested in your lude. Peace.
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You have to replace the compress, condenser and the receiver/dryer because the 4th gen system is a scroll type compressor and over years of use it can have wear in the spirals making the system not have the correct PSI, due to a wear gap in the spirals. Here is a picture of the spirals.




They also have to replace the receiver/dryer unit because every time you open the AC system you let air and moisture in to the system which can cause corrosion when mixed with both the oil and the R134a. The receiver/ dryer is a one time use and must be replaced. This is also installed last and should be immediately evacuated after the repairs.

The condenser replacement is most likely because you have a lot of bugs or bad fins in the condenser. If the condenser is not flowing all of the air it possibly can then it can not drop the temp of the liquid line causing the the high pressure side of the system to be too high, if that happens it will not cool the car down properly. The discharge line (compressor to condenser) should be hot and the liquid (condenser to TXV) should be warm.
Also make sure the fans come on properly.

I would also check for leaks and clutch gap.
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Re: Air conditioning not blowing cold enough 4th gen

1. Take it to another shop and get a second opinion.
2. If it is the compressor, you *will* have to change the dryer out.
3. Since the system is evacuated when you change the compressor and dryer out, go ahead and replace the expansion valve. Getting it done now is cheap insurance.

MAKE SURE that what ever you do that you do a leak down test. Pull a vacuum on that system for a few hours then let it sit and make sure there is now loss in vacuum. The longer you can leave the vacuum pump on the better.

If you replace the compressor, don't forget to add oil. They can tell you the amount and type at your local parts house.
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