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Tips on removing fuel pump?

Hey all. So I'm replacing the fuel pump in my car and I'm wondering, how the hell do I get it out? The main line is right on top and I can't get it out of the way to lift it out. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Tips on removing fuel pump?

you are supposed to drop the tank....




I took out my back seat and the cross arm then it was all sorts of easy to get to. :p
BUT, remember when you are putting it back in to get it in the baffle correctly, other wise when you get below a half a tank you will lose prime going around a corner or braking hard.

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Re: Tips on removing fuel pump?

God Damnit. It didn't tell me to drop the friggen tank in the book. Though I don't forsee it being easier with it down...

My back seats out, so is the cross member. Its easy to get to. Ive got my hand on it. Just can't lift it OUT because the main line is in the way and since its made of metal, it doesn't wanna budge.

Either way, with the tank dropped, that main line is still going to be blocking me and not letting me pull it out...

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Re: Tips on removing fuel pump?

i cut out the area where the main line goes. I know crazy but I was not gonna drop the damn tank just to verify that the pump was working. At least now when I upgrade to a walbro,it will be very easy to replace.
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Re: Tips on removing fuel pump?

The hell did you cut it with? You know you're inches away from GAS right? Hahaha. No I'm not cutting anything, guess I will just have to he-man it.
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Re: Tips on removing fuel pump?

i just replaced mine with the Walbro unit .. just take the main fuel line and pull up and towards you with one hand while pulling the metal cover up and to the left .. sounds weird reading it, but when you're actually doing it it'll be simple. Mine came out with some struggle .. and went back in with the same struggle .. lifted from the top, no tank dropped
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i just replaced mine with the Walbro unit .. just take the main fuel line and pull up and towards you with one hand while pulling the metal cover up and to the left .. sounds weird reading it, but when you're actually doing it it'll be simple. Mine came out with some struggle .. and went back in with the same struggle .. lifted from the top, no tank dropped
Thanks bud. Will try that now. I cut my finger pretty good on the body above it so I took some time to try to rethink :P


As soon as I finish this, will it be safe to just start it right up? There wasn't any fuel getting in so I'm guessing its full of air. Is it still going to be safe to start up as soon as I replace?
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Re: Tips on removing fuel pump?

no problem, mine came out so yours should too .. just prime it 2-3 times before starting it and you should be fine
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Re: Tips on removing fuel pump?

Awesome, lemme just double check. By priming you mean key in ignition farthest before starting, pump gas a few times?
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Re: Tips on removing fuel pump?

don't pump the gas pedal .. just place the key in the ignition and turn 'till all the lights come on the dash, don't start it yet, do this 2-3 times, you should hear the fuel pump prime everytime you do this, keep the key at this position until fuel priming sound has stopped, then repeat .. this step just builds fuel pressure in your lines so it'll be easier to start
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There's some good info in here. If someone (*cough* Shatterbox *cough*) could get some pics, it may be sticky worthy. I know I'll reference it when I upgrade to the Walbro unit.
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i cut out the area where the main line goes.
funny thing is I actually thought about doing the same with a dremel tool and cut-off wheel, just to cut off enough metal so that the fuel line goes up by another inch or so and everything clears.. that would make it so much easier .. and as far as the safety .. yeah its only dangerous if you do not know what you're doing .. cover everything with hand towels so that sparks from the cut-off wheel dont land on the danger zones .. just be creative .. either way you do it > it must come off
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There's some good info in here. If someone (*cough* Shatterbox *cough*) could get some pics, it may be sticky worthy. I know I'll reference it when I upgrade to the Walbro unit.
Haha, well, if i had a camera, I would have. the thought crossed my mind, but even in a reasonably well lit area, my phones pics are still brutally dark and grainy. I plan on upgrading to the warlbro ( spelling? ) 255 lph when I upgrade and build my next engine, so pictures will be included. Ill buy a cheapo digi cam just for the build ;-) But that won't be till later this summer...
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It's all good. Let's just not forget this thread. haha
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Well thats why we can search ;-)


Update: Fuel pump primes, car still does not start. Injectors were replaced recently. Alt and batt are fine. If I replace the fuel filter and it still doesn't work the only other thing I can think of is the FPR. Sigh. Next thing might have to be bring it to either honda, or one of the retard mechanics in this town. Fun -.-
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Re: Tips on removing fuel pump?

Three components must work in harmony in order for your car to start .. Fuel, Spark, and Compression .. if one of these do not work, then your car does not start .....
Your fuel system might be working properly ( OEM fuel pressure regulators usually do not break, on stock engines ) ... So check your compression on each cylinder by doing a compression test, and check whether you have spark at each plug ..

.. and just a thought > when was the last time you messed around with your timing belt .. if timing is off then your car will not start either
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Pics like this?

I ound so much crap under the carpet. Lord knows what the prev owner was thinking.


After removing both hoses and the 6 bolts it was just a matter of wiggling it out of there.




New pump re-attached to the "cap" and ready to go back in.


CAREFULLY using a screwdriver to hold the fuel line out of the way.


A peak at the Baffle assembly inside the tank:


Back in its place:



MAKE VERY SURE you re-insert the pump into the baffle. Otherwise you WILL have problems with it losing prime, as mentioned earlier. I started my sound deadening over the very thin piece of sheet metal. Need to lay a lil more and put the rear seats back in
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Thanks Nay Nay! Helpful as always haha
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Three components must work in harmony in order for your car to start .. Fuel, Spark, and Compression .. if one of these do not work, then your car does not start .....
Your fuel system might be working properly ( OEM fuel pressure regulators usually do not break, on stock engines ) ... So check your compression on each cylinder by doing a compression test, and check whether you have spark at each plug ..

.. and just a thought > when was the last time you messed around with your timing belt .. if timing is off then your car will not start either
Did this. 180 cold compression in all 4 cylinders. BUUUUT somehow I don't have spark anymore to any cylinders. I don't see how this could have happened while I was replacing the fuel pump and filter... I must have leaned hard or something and broke it.

Just to double check, I pulled out the spark plug and watched for a spark while I got someone to crank it. No spark, so I tried to hold it almost touching ( at various distances ) to the block, still no spark to any cylinders.
All my connections are fine as far as I can tell, so I'm thinking distributor? I'll be able to replace those for cheap tomorrow before I go out to work. Wish me luck.



PS. Thanks for posting pics up Renee :)
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If all cylinders are not getting a spark then:

Check the rotor inside the cap.

Check that your plug wire from your coil to the dist cap is ok and you are getting spark at that connection.

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I checked the rotor, the cap is brand new, the rotor feels a little worn down... But I will check the wire from the coil, how can I check it?
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I checked the rotor, the cap is brand new, the rotor feels a little worn down... But I will check the wire from the coil, how can I check it?
I am NOT a mechanic by ANY Means... but, we used to just pull it off the dist cap and hold it close to ground.. you will see it spark.
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Hmm. Ok, maybe my step dad just didn't see it as we did it when it was mid day ( poor guy is older than you!!! )

Too bad nobody is around right now to turn the key for me :P I'll go bug my neighour lol.

EDIT: That main one isnt even getting spark, I held it next to a bracket, almost touching, and no spark. I don't know if i did this wrong, but I hope i did. because a distributor is probably a much easier fix than whatever it is...
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People say the biggest difference you can change to your system is to add a subwoofer. Which is true, it is the most noticable difference. But running an amplifier to a good set of speakers makes the BEST difference.

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Re: Tips on removing fuel pump?

So...digging up thread. Pretty sure my fuel pump is bad. Has been hard to start sometimes lately and today it cut out while driving. I dont 'hear' pump priming and never had in the month or two ive owned the car. After cutting out today after a few mins it started back up. Pretty sure it's the pump after reading all the threads. On a side note...is the walbro good for a DD?
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Re: Tips on removing fuel pump?

walboro 255 lph is good for boost, na build, etc,

i do believe walboro 195? will help.
but, i think walboro has to be programmed with your ecu.
just idk thats how i done it.
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funny thing is I actually thought about doing the same with a dremel tool and cut-off wheel, just to cut off enough metal so that the fuel line goes up by another inch or so and everything clears.. that would make it so much easier .. and as far as the safety .. yeah its only dangerous if you do not know what you're doing .. cover everything with hand towels so that sparks from the cut-off wheel dont land on the danger zones .. just be creative .. either way you do it > it must come off
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Re: Tips on removing fuel pump?

What the heck is the secret to getting it in the baffle right?
The previous owner installed it incorrectly and I'm having a hell of a time trying to get it in right..

Btw i saw your thread on diyma and it made me realize what was wrong with the pump so thanks lilms!

Oh btw.. did any of you get code 43 when your pump wasn't in the baffle?

I'm hoping this will make it go away and i won't need to replace the O2 sensor as well.
I won't know until the h23 is rebuilt though >.<

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Re: Tips on removing fuel pump?

It took me a few hours but i managed to get it in after taking everything out of the back so i could see a little better. although im not sure that helped.

anwyays my method was to point the pickup at 11 o clock (if you're in the trunk facing the front of the car or 5 o clock if you're facing the rear) then force it in a little bit until it went down.

I really hope it's in properly this time
so no feedback on this causing code 43? it would make sense since it's a "fuel supply issue"
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Re: Tips on removing fuel pump?

Hey John, thanks for coming on over to PZ..... I don't know if I had a trick to getting it back in their per-se. I just struggled with it and twisted and turned as it went back in. Make sure you have re-installed the filter too... this helps with part of the "losing prime" issue.
I waited to do mine until I was about 1/4 tank from empty, installed it, then took it out for a drive and went around the corner quickly.

as for your code, since you have stirred stuff up, you may consider replacing the fuel filter under the hood as well. you could be having a pressure issue. The pump only receives 12V (+ and - ) from the relay. Their is no sensor on the specific fuel line until it gets up under the hood, IIRC.


I also added a few more pictures above.
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