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Alright, i was on the highway with cruise control on (going roughly 60mph) when my car starting bogging down and jerking, i slowed down a little bit and my car shut off. I smelled a little bit of oil, so i got out and popped the hood, there was some smoke but nothing overwhelming. I tried to start it and it just clicked with no effort to turn over. i then had my two buddies push it to try to pop start it and when i let off the clutch, the car stopped dead in its tracks. My voltmeter is reading 12.0 V from the battery.. I really really dont know what is wrong with it.. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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k bro the more i think about this i keep coming to this conclusion. Even though ur battery is reading that doesnt nessisarilly mean its there because i did that on a buddys s 10 today andf it did the same thing read 11.7 and was deader than a doornail. So with that in mind maybe your alternator took a **** on you the only way to know is to take it off and have it tested at autzone or parts store the symptoms u had before it died make it sound 100 percent alternator because if u have a full batt ur alternator keeps charging while ur using it so once ur alternator dies its batt only than when ur batt dies no power check alternator belt first btw see if it broke!
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omg...your timing belt just snapped. do not try to restart or youre gonna bend your f***in valves!!! did you do a timing belt change yet????
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k bro the more i think about this i keep coming to this conclusion. Even though ur battery is reading that doesnt nessisarilly mean its there because i did that on a buddys s 10 today andf it did the same thing read 11.7 and was deader than a doornail. So with that in mind maybe your alternator took a **** on you the only way to know is to take it off and have it tested at autzone or parts store the symptoms u had before it died make it sound 100 percent alternator because if u have a full batt ur alternator keeps charging while ur using it so once ur alternator dies its batt only than when ur batt dies no power check alternator belt first btw see if it broke!
alternator wont die when its in motion. even if it is the belt, the car will not bog, the electronics will just die.
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Re: Bad problem with my lude, HELP :/

The alternator belt is still good on it after checking it.. but wouldn't my car continue to roll after trying to pop start it even if the timing belt snapped?
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yess your timing belt did not snap if it did ur car would roll and if ur alternator was going it would sputter and pop that would be the sound of fuel cutting off no sparking etc... and ur altornator most ****in definiately die while the car is running hondaverno

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The alternator belt is still good on it after checking it.. but wouldn't my car continue to roll after trying to pop start it even if the timing belt snapped?
Your symptoms sound unusual. Definitely doesn't sound like an alternator related problem. You have any unusual engine related sounds during this break down event? Sounds like a seized engine to me (timing belt or no engine oil), especially if you just stopped dead in your tracks after trying to roll start it.
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Re: Bad problem with my lude, HELP :/

Im thinking it could be a bad alternator too, because it wont even attempt to turn over..
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I heard no popping noises, but did however smell burning oil with small amounts of smoke. But i had no unusual engine sounds, the oil light has been flashing for quite some time, but i put a quart of oil in and it went way for a few days, and came back on. i checked the oil prior to my 20 minute drive and it had oil, however it was pretty dirty..
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I heard no popping noises, but did however smell burning oil with small amounts of smoke. But i had no unusual engine sounds, the oil light has been flashing for quite some time, but i put a quart of oil in and it went way for a few days, and came back on. i checked the oil prior to my 20 minute drive and it had oil, however it was pretty dirty..
The fact that the oil light was on might mean that you were in fact a bit low on oil. No engine sounds means the timing belt would have been fine. Your best test will be to try to crank the engine over by turning the crank pulley bolt anti-clock wise (gearbox in neutral). If the engine doesn't crank by hand there is a very good chance it seized up. Cant be sure though since you did check the oil before your trip, so there must have been some oil in there, its just a question of was it enough. How many miles/km's on the engine?
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the only way it coulda been ur timing belt is if it snapped and then wrapped it self around the bottom pully and jammed it and in that case that would explain the constant stop when bump starting. or u just dont have enough speed my vote altornator!
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plus if it would have wrapped itself around it wouldastopped the car dead in its tracks during the shutoff like ripping an e brake
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You change oil, not add to it. When's the last time it had fresh oil?
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There are 152, 600 miles on it.
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I have no way of knowing when the last oil change was since i just got the car about 2 months ago and there was no oil sticker on it..
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the only way it coulda been ur timing belt is if it snapped and then wrapped it self around the bottom pully and jammed it and in that case that would explain the constant stop when bump starting. or u just dont have enough speed my vote altornator!
Yea its unlikely that its the timing belt if there was no sounds (its a horrible sound). Not enough speed for the jump start is a possibility as well.

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Your symptoms sound unusual. Definitely doesn't sound like an alternator related problem. You have any unusual engine related sounds during this break down event? Sounds like a seized engine to me (timing belt or no engine oil), especially if you just stopped dead in your tracks after trying to roll start it.
Haha great minds think alike, This is what happened to me, i'm driving along, come to a red light i stop, light changes i shift into first and my car died on me, tried to push it off, car came to a sudden stop when i did. Well the oil pump went out and locked up my engine, sorry to break your heart bro but it does sound like its a seized engine,,, time for a swap..
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Re: Bad problem with my lude, HELP :/

We had the car rolling at a pretty good pace outta my driveway and i dumped the clutch and it just stopped my car.. perhaps down a hill would be a better option?
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Not sure if its worth pushing it down a hill, you may not be able to get back up it! So i take it the electronics inside the car work? Your dash lights etc do come on right? If the battery is in good nick, and all electronics work then the alternator wount be the problem. Can start and run the car for a period of time even if the alternator no longer functions. If the battery definitely is good and the starter motor just clicks then it confirms that its the lack of oil that killed the engine.

Like honda95 said, it may be time for an engine swap.
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Re: Bad problem with my lude, HELP :/

Yeah the electronics inside all work, like you guys said, the lack of oil is probably the fate of the engine. I dont want to believe that the engine is shot because i dont have the money to replace it right now >:0!
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I know what you mean, not exactly something any car owner wants to hear! To confirm it (just to remove any doubt), just rotate the crank pulley, it may be something else but it seems unlikely given what you have described.

Good luck getting it sorted, hope you can get some cash scrapped together to get an equivalent engine in there.
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To be totally honest, it was very wrong to just assume the oil was ok. If you did not know when that oil was last changed, then you should have changed it immediately. Well I hope the engine is fine because I know how it feels to not have fallback cash. I change my oil every 3k miles on the dot, and I also seafoam it. Preventative maintenence may seem like a waste of money sometimes, but in the end it's all you can really do to save money in the long run. Good luck with the engine! For future reference, dirty oil is bad.
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Re: Bad problem with my lude, HELP :/

I just went out to give it another try before bed and i got it to start up, theres a rattling noise tho, so now im thinking that it threw out the conector rod.. just glad to see that the engine isnt seized up
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why the hell do you keep trying to start it!!!!!!!!!
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Stop trying to start it! You're not doing it any good!!! Leave it be until you figure out the problem or at least think you did
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Stupid question....but have you actually checked the oil since it died? Seriously bro, the only time an oil light comes on is when your damn near screwed, oil lights are not something to be taken lightly. =/
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drain the oil and look for metal shavings..
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^^^^ is correct usually when dummy lights come on its pretty much just to let you know that something just f***ed up, and most of the time its too late at that point, the damage has already been done, they're designed to come on when something screws up,, not before something screws up, but you didnt mention any lights coming on. Seriously stop tryin to start it, it died for a reason, IT DIDNT WANT TO RUN, so pull off your valve cover and check the timing belt. If it didnt break which i dnt think it did, sounds like ur engine is committing suicide,, My advice is contact the person you bought the car from, and check on the "lemon law" in your state.
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Re: Bad problem with my lude, HELP :/

dude im telling you the timing belt broke. my reasons are

1. all electronics work, meaning the batt and the alt works
2. oil is still coming out, which is normal, because the engine doesnt need to crank without the oil
3. a seize motor will now spew out oil or even choke (my experience)

so the more you are trying to start the car the more you are putting your valves, retainers, basically the whole head at risk. DO NOT TRY TO START IT.

check out your belt, take off the valve cover and look at it.

im almost 100% sure its the timing belt. this happened to me and its always the same symptoms. btw the oil light will turn on anyways because you keep causing it to lose more and more oil.
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To be totally honest, it was very wrong to just assume the oil was ok. If you did not know when that oil was last changed, then you should have changed it immediately. Well I hope the engine is fine because I know how it feels to not have fallback cash. I change my oil every 3k miles on the dot, and I also seafoam it. Preventative maintenence may seem like a waste of money sometimes, but in the end it's all you can really do to save money in the long run. Good luck with the engine! For future reference, dirty oil is bad.
yup knowing it was 2 months and you gotta switch it every 3 months or 3k miles..you shoulda just switched it man..but yea..good luck on figuring out ur problem. =/
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