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Old 04-15-2010, 11:00 PM
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What Timing Belt for Manual Tensioner Conversion?

I've found out that I need a timing belt for an F20B motor because that belt has 156 teeth and the H22A belts have 155. I guess this is a problem because one of the bearings or tensioners in the conversion kit is larger in diameter than what's on there now.

My problem, what is an F20B from? I've found threads that say it's out of an Accord but when shopping for this part, all the Accord motors come up as F22. What would I search for to find this belt, or where can I purchase the belt I need? I'm hoping to find it on the IMPORT REPLACEMENT PARTS website so I can buy the tensioner conversion kit and the belt together, so if someone can direct me to the correct purchase, that'd be awesome.

I know I can still use the 155-tooth but I don't wanna have to tilt my cams to get it on.


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Re: What Timing Belt for Manual Tensioner Conversion?

I used the manual tensioner setup from my old h23a1 and put it into my JDM H22a, and if memory serves me right (its been a few years) i used the regular H22a timing belt with absolutely no ill-effects on timing.

What motor are you looking to swap the manual tensioner setup onto? I dont quite understand what you are working with from your post.

And i think F20bs are from european accords, not USDM ones. Im not sure if they were offered in preludes in other markets or not, i havent looked into the F20b's much at all. Anyone know for sure?
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Completely stock h22a1
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Re: What Timing Belt for Manual Tensioner Conversion?

Is the DOHC F20B VTEC "just" a destroked h22??? (JDM accords got them), I think the h23a1 manual tensioner would be what you want for your h22a1... unless I am misunderstanding something... I assume the JDM F22b (jap h23) also had a manual tensioner and belt that would work with the h23/22

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"wow..looks like no1 here knows what theyre talkin about..to clear up everything here are the facts:

The F20A is JDM from the 90-93 Accord Si..its a DOHC non-vtec that puts out 155hp@6100

The F20B is a SOHC VTEC that puts out 150hp

The F20B1 is a DOHC VTEC that comes from the 90-93 JDM Accord Si-R and puts out 190hp

The F20B2 puts out 200hp and is a DOHC VTEC from a 94-97 JDM Accord Si-R

The F20C1 is from the S2000, puts out 240hp@8300 and is a DOHC VTEC

The F22A comes from the 93 Accord and is a SOHC non-vtec putting out 125hp@5200

The F22A1 powers 135hp@5200 is a DOHC non-vtec and comes from 92-96 Prelude S

The F22A4 and A6 are both SOHC non-vtecs and power between 130-140hp, the come from the 90-91 or 92-93 Accord

The F22B is a DOHC non-vtec with 160hp@6000 coming from a 92-96 Prelude Si

The F22B1 has only 145hp@5500, its a SOHC VTEC from the 94-97 Accord EX

The F22B2 comes from the Accord DX/LX and is a SOHC non-vtec powering just 130hp@5300

The F23A1 is a SOHC VTEC from a 98+ Accord EX/LX or CL (98-99) with 150hp..the A4 has 148hp and the A5 only has 135hp

Dont even get me started on the H-Series motors now haha..hope i could clear everything up.

-Mike"

general info on blocks... Reference: H&F-series - piston/rod/crank/block specs - Carolina Hondas

and here: F/H series bore, crank, piston and so much more! - Preludepower.com

wiki says: F20B

The F20B Engine Stream produces 113 kW (154 hp) at 6500 rpm and maximum torque of 186 N•m (137 lb•ft) at 4000 rpm, versus the single-camshaft F20B's 110 kW (148 hp) and 186 N•m (137 lb•ft), respectively. The vehicle's Japanese urban 10/15-mode fuel consumption rating is 14.2 km/L (about 34 mpg)—a 15% improvement over a comparable vehicle powered by the F20B, according to Honda.

Specifications

* Displacement: 1997 cc
* Configuration Valve: SOHC/DOHC, 16 valves, VTEC/Non-Vtec

This engine came in SOHC in vtec and non vtec, there is also a DOHC VTEC version of the engine, they all share the same engine code although they are very different.

The DOHC VTEC version comes with a blue powder coated valve cover as the H23A VTEC from the japanese accord sir-t. They're called BLUE TOP and are only from japan.

DOHC VTEC Manual Version:

* 197 HP @ 7200RPM
* 145 TQ @ 6600RPM
* 147.10 kw
* 11.0:1 CR
* 85mm bore
* 88mm stroke
* 23mm wrist pin
* 145.5mm rods (f20b rod length = 145.425)
* 1.65 r/s ratio
* 55mm mains like h22a4 block

rod journal has been offset ground on both sides to the size of a b-series rod journal.
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Re: What Timing Belt for Manual Tensioner Conversion?

How many teeth does the H23A timing belt have?
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Re: What Timing Belt for Manual Tensioner Conversion?

only 127 :( sorry.

1992-1996 Honda Prelude Timing Belt - Dayco

maybe you can use the h22 belt with no problems, with a h23 manual tensioner.

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2018500

this guy is running an f20b, ask him what belt he used...

f20b swap PLZ HELP??

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Re: What Timing Belt for Manual Tensioner Conversion?

ok my f20b swap is done. and its a beast, lol this is what i used, my manual tensioner off my h23 with the original f20b belt, but i am changing the timing belt today to a h22 belt. you can use a h22 water pump, and check the oil pressure switch, mine was bad, its like $20 at advance. Ok i dnt know whut car your doin the swap in, but the f20b didnt have power steering so u will need a power steering bracket, i used the 1 off my h23 just took a grinder and took off the lil lip on the back where it bolts up, worked fine, change over crank pulley,injector plugs if you get them,dizzy, if you want to keep the intake manifold then u will have to get a custom fuel line made like me, and change over the plenum off your manifold for vacuum line issues, and the intake coolant lines are gunne be different so your gunna have to T them into each other, change the engine mount on the timing belt side, use yours off the original engine, your gunna have to find a place to bolt up the coil, i bolted mine up on the transmission for the time being and the intake goes over the top of it so i kinda like it, i think i touched on everything i had questions about before i did the swap, let me know if you need so more help
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How come you're changing from the F20 belt to the H22?
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Re: What Timing Belt for Manual Tensioner Conversion?

Ok from what I've read from website to website, you can use the H22 belt with H23 tensioner, now this is possible.but let me tell you about my experience with this, it sucked horse d***, and was tighter than gnat pu$$y to get on.so tomorrow I will be goin back to the F20B belt, until I find a replacement one for it.If they sell a kit to do it the go for it, And to answer your question from earlier the F20B came out of a honda accord SIR, it also had electrical power steering hence why the crank pully only has a place for the a/cn alt.When I had the H22 belt on it ran,but kinda crappy, like it was a half a tooth off or so, matbe a tooth since that is the difference between the 2, lol never believe crap you read on some websites,if there's anything else u need let me know.
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Where are you buying that belt from and what year SiR? The only one I think I've come across was a Dayco brand, but it was on a European website for like 30 pounds, and it wont let me ship it to the US. Thanks for helping.
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Ok i got it all figured out, forget about the f20b belt bc u will never find it and if u do, you'll have a hard time shipping it.
And ignore most of my last post.
THINGS YOU WILL NEED:
1. h23 tensioner
2. h22 timing belt
3. someone to help
4. a great deal of patience
5. and of course the tools

Ok lets say you have everything pulled off and your ready to put on the new belt, find some way to lock the cam gears from moving, i used wire ties "zip ties"
make sure the engine is a TDC. Ok looking at the cam gears pull all the tension up onto the cam gear closest to the firewall, wrap it onto the gear about half the belt and hold the shi* out of it, next have someone or you try to put the front on, this is where it gets frustrating, your gunna have to take your time. Slowly put the belt on the front of the gear and kinda like fold it up on the gear, it will take a couple of tries. I used a 14mm wrench on the gear closest to the firewall to kinda hold it in place and give more slack to the belt. Keep checking to make sure the gears didnt move. on the gear " balance shaft gear i think" where the crankshaft pulley bolts over there is an arrow and on the egine block there is another they should line up, but the will be off, just a tad lil bit. bc remember the h22 belt is 1 tooth shorter and that makes up for it, I did mine today and it runs great, except for the idle surge bc of the iacv. This is gunna be a bitch i can tell you already, so make sure you have plenty of time. let me know if there is anything else
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Wow thanks man. I get the conversion kit and belt delivered Friday so we'll see how it goes. I really appreciate all the info.
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Wow thanks man. I get the conversion kit and belt delivered Friday so we'll see how it goes. I really appreciate all the info.
haha no problem dude if you have any more questions let me know
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Updates.. Well, UPS delayed delivery of the belt and conversion kit until this past Tuesday afternoon. I worked Wednesday until 11pm. Yesterday the winds here got up to 99mph, caused numerous wrecks between work and home because of 0 visibility in the sand storm and blew over 2 semi trucks, and today it's snowing right now, so all I've really been doing is staring out the window waiting for the goddamn weather to cooperate with my schedule.

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Thanks again everyone for your help and input. It's greatly appreciated. So much that when I win the $250 million lottery, I will give you all $2mil. I swear.


Alright, so I got it all put together..it was a pretty straight forward process but I still had to check some pictures from time to time. The main thing I was confused about was the kit came with that plate to go in the spot where the autotensioner went, but nobody uses it. Also, there's nothing that goes in the swivel bracket on the bearing but..whatev.

I kept the 155-tooth belt and (I don't wanna hear it) had to lift the camshafts to get the belt on the exhaust cam. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, DON'T DO THIS!
But yeah, I did it. Once I got the belt on, I buttoned all the 12mm bolts to 12 ft-lbs first, and then 19 ft-lbs and the 10mm's to 9lbs, and I did so in order according to the Mitchel's manual. The belt still has the proper amount of play so it's not too tight.

The car runs now, but I'm still having other problems New thread time.
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Lol I will gladly accept, and I'm not gunna rag on u bc I know how it was to get mine on, it really was a pita. Wuts kinda problems u havin, maybe I encounter them durin my swap.and I found a website were u can get the f20b belt I'll post it up later I'm on my blackberry right now.
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Hey Honda95! I'm makin another thread right now for my new problems. I'm pretty sure they're unrelated to this whole timing belt issue because they seem more electrical. Well the majority of them do.
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so. did u forget to post the site? im so burned out on this manual conversion. i would kill for that f20b belt.
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Never found one..used the H22 belt.
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