Honda Prelude Forum

93widekit_lude · #1 (**permalink**) 10-11-2009, 07:23 PM

fully build h22a head with:
port polished head, skunk 2 pro cam, stage 2 turbo camshaft, valves, retainer, springs,

block is just mahle low compression piston, with eagle rod.

Just wondering if this is a good setup, and how big of a turbo can i get for it.
thanks

94ludeguy · #2 (**permalink**) 10-12-2009, 01:20 AM

dude... do some research... oh yeah and your gonna have to sleeve your block...go read the turbo section then ask

2.2Lude · #3 (**permalink**) 10-12-2009, 01:39 AM

With Mahle FRM pistons he doesn't need to re-sleeve but its always better to go with forged pistons and some good sleeves.

OP: Have you done enough research on those pistons? From the little that I've done on my down time they seem to have a 50/50 success rate.

partyman09 · #4 (**permalink**) 10-12-2009, 02:01 AM

The Mahle FRM pistons are no good. They last from 2k-10kmiles. Now i dont know about anyone else but i put that on in about 3 months. They also work like a quater of the time. Ive heard of a very very few ppl hitting over 10k with them. But hell if you have the money to spend 600 every 3 months go ahead...? If i was going to sleeve the block i would use dry darton blocks. They cost $200 plus $500 to install if that. The dry sleeves are good for 500hp.I dont think you would be needing wet sleeves unless you are hitting 500+ hp.
Now to the heads... The h22a have some of the best flowing heads. They dont need to be PNP cams, blah blah. If you are going to do anything get a vavle job and maybe upgrade the seats and springs but only if you plan on hitting 300+hp. If you are going to turbo the engine there is no need to shave the heads.
Now lower end... The crank is good for 900+ hp and dosnt need to be replaced. If you have the money you can bring it to the machine shop and have them shave about 5lbs off with out losing any strengh... The rods and pistons are good for about 350hp. Take a peek at ebay and you can find good rod and piston combo deals. Eagle,BC,JE,ETC. If you are going to turbo it go for 8:5:1 or 9:1 comppresion.
As for turbos.. If you are going stock you can boost up to 8psi with a T3 and 5psi with a GT35R.
Ik im missing some things in here but these are the basics. if you have any qestions just pm me im happy to help..
My info for you dude is to search and put alot more info on here such as your goals. I woulda chewed you one for this but f*** its one in the mourning and im freaking BORED.

Bustr · #5 (**permalink**) 10-12-2009, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 93widekit_lude

fully build h22a head with:
port polished head, skunk 2 pro cam, stage 2 turbo camshaft, valves, retainer, springs,

block is just mahle low compression piston, with eagle rod.

Just wondering if this is a good setup, and how big of a turbo can i get for it.
thanks

first off...widekit??? do you really have a widekit on your lude??? i don't think i've seen it for a 4th gen.... anyways back to topic.

as far as the head... i wouldn't worry about it as much as the bottom. the head is just going to give you more hp at the end. you can do dual valve springs and retainers this will help you to rev out higher w/ no worries.
you are better off building the bottom end. sleeving, low comp pistons, and forged rods is the way to go for a safe and more reliable setup. yes you can do mahle pistons in a stock motor.... then it really comes down to the tuning. i have seen alot of failures w/ mahle pistons though. put it this way... if you cheap out... your motor will **** out. turbo is not for the weak of wallet , heart, or mind.... so please just do your homework.

mizlude · #6 (**permalink**) 10-12-2009, 05:23 PM

Talk to this guy about the Mahle pistons
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/j...e-9aad012ad4c6

The stock rods gave up before the pistons did, oh and there is a guy that is on hondatech that has had the same Mahle pistons in his car for 4 seasons of racing (he is also the owner of the gold civic hatch on the cover of there catalog)

93widekit_lude · #7 (**permalink**) 10-12-2009, 05:31 PM

alrite thanks .and the wide kit was just from civic. previous owner did it. coming apart now dude to cracks. As far as head i got skunk2 fully build on it so far. just installing now. and the block like i say i only have eagle rod and mahle piston. and since you guys say they don't last. i hope they do. because the piston itself costed more than other brand.

partyman09 · #8 (**permalink**) 10-12-2009, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizlude

Talk to this guy about the Mahle pistons
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/j...e-9aad012ad4c6

The stock rods gave up before the pistons did, oh and there is a guy that is on hondatech that has had the same Mahle pistons in his car for 4 seasons of racing (he is also the owner of the gold civic hatch on the cover of there catalog)

Yea they lasted for 4 seasons of drag racing... This will be a DD car.. I believe

93widekit_lude · #9 (**permalink**) 10-12-2009, 05:40 PM

so are you saying as in just drag racing? because i was hoping it'll last for regular driving too.

partyman09 · #10 (**permalink**) 10-12-2009, 05:43 PM

With them in drag racing you dont put on the miles like you do with a DD. I do have a friend with a h22a that runs them and they work well for drag racing. They lasted him 2 seasons. Also the they only hold 150hp a cyl so 600 for a h22. I dont know if your power goals are over that or not.

mizlude · #11 (**permalink**) 10-12-2009, 05:46 PM

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1406865

The guys name is Tyler H on HT pm him about it

btw google is your friend.

Bustr · #12 (**permalink**) 10-12-2009, 07:42 PM

no matter what .... TUNING is the key.... you can have mahle pistons/wiseco/je... doesn't mean anything unless the motor is tuned correctly.

partyman09 · #13 (**permalink**) 10-12-2009, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bustr

no matter what .... TUNING is the key.... you can have mahle pistons/wiseco/je... doesn't mean anything unless the motor is tuned correctly.

YES, true dat

93widekit_lude · #14 (**permalink**) 10-22-2009, 05:31 PM

okay so what brand of turbo and how big can i go?

twokexlv6coupe · #15 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 12:20 AM

GT35R or bust

98vtec · #16 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by partyman09

The Mahle FRM pistons are no good. They last from 2k-10kmiles. Now i dont know about anyone else but i put that on in about 3 months. They also work like a quater of the time. Ive heard of a very very few ppl hitting over 10k with them. But hell if you have the money to spend 600 every 3 months go ahead...? If i was going to sleeve the block i would use dry darton blocks. They cost $200 plus $500 to install if that. The dry sleeves are good for 500hp.I dont think you would be needing wet sleeves unless you are hitting 500+ hp.
Now to the heads... The h22a have some of the best flowing heads. They dont need to be PNP cams, blah blah. If you are going to do anything get a vavle job and maybe upgrade the seats and springs but only if you plan on hitting 300+hp. If you are going to turbo the engine there is no need to shave the heads.
Now lower end... The crank is good for 900+ hp and dosnt need to be replaced. If you have the money you can bring it to the machine shop and have them shave about 5lbs off with out losing any strengh... The rods and pistons are good for about 350hp. Take a peek at ebay and you can find good rod and piston combo deals. Eagle,BC,JE,ETC. If you are going to turbo it go for 8:5:1 or 9:1 comppresion.
As for turbos.. If you are going stock you can boost up to 8psi with a T3 and 5psi with a GT35R.
Ik im missing some things in here but these are the basics. if you have any qestions just pm me im happy to help..
My info for you dude is to search and put alot more info on here such as your goals. I woulda chewed you one for this but f*** its one in the mourning and im freaking BORED.

where are you pulling this information from? your ass?

OP:

leave the head alone and build the block. you dont need to run super low compression just because you are boosting. run around 10:1 and get it tuned properly

partyman09 · #17 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 98vtec

where are you pulling this information from? your ass?

OP:

leave the head alone and build the block. you dont need to run super low compression just because you are boosting. run around 10:1 and get it tuned properly

I would definity like to know what you think im pulling out of my ass. Im sure none of it is. He sounds like he has money because of suggested of doing so i gave him the big money builds.

mizlude · #18 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 03:53 AM

Dude your barking up the wrong tree saying that to blake aka 98vtec

He is also right the fastest lude ( md23vtec ) has stock cams in his car or at least he used to

98vtec · #19 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by partyman09

If you are going to do anything get a vavle job and maybe upgrade the seats and springs but only if you plan on hitting 300+hp.

what? explain why he needs springs and new seats for 350-400whp?

Quote:

The rods and pistons are good for about 350hp. Take a peek at ebay and you can find good rod and piston combo deals. Eagle,BC,JE,ETC. If you are going to turbo it go for 8:5:1 or 9:1 comppresion.

so what happen to all these people making 400-500whp on stock motors?

Quote:

As for turbos.. If you are going stock you can boost up to 8psi with a T3 and 5psi with a GT35R.

quite a bit wrong there as well

partyman09 · #20 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 98vtec

what? explain why he needs springs and new seats for 350-400whp?

so what happen to all these people making 400-500whp on stock motors?

quite a bit wrong there as well

Like i said in my first post the h22a head flows very good. You wont benifet from any head work unless you are pushing over 350whp.(boosted) You still can use all th have the stock parts and be just fine. If you he has the money why not do it?
As in the turbos since when could you boost the hell out of a stock h22a, Ive always been told to stay under 9psi. Thats what i have always done and suggested to ppl to do. Im not trying to sound harshin any of this btw.
Ive been told by plenty of ppl that the rods are only good up to 350whp. If thats not true im kinda happy about that then.

What are you pushing hp wise?

98vtec · #21 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by partyman09

Like i said in my first post the h22a head flows very good. You wont benifet from any head work unless you are pushing over 350whp.(boosted) You still can use all th have the stock parts and be just fine. If you he has the money why not do it?
As in the turbos since when could you boost the hell out of a stock h22a, Ive always been told to stay under 9psi. Thats what i have always done and suggested to ppl to do. Im not trying to sound harshin any of this btw.
Ive been told by plenty of ppl that the rods are only good up to 350whp. If thats not true im kinda happy about that then.

What are you pushing hp wise?

if you were told jumping of a bridge would cure you from std's....would you? see where i am getting?....

boosting any motor making more power than the internet says you should run, reliably, is all based on part selection and tuning.

you are introducing "facts" with too many variables that make what you just said false. fact is, not all engines are the same, not all engines had good tunes, not all engines are healthy, not all engines run half decent quality parts.

I'm all motor so i dont have much of the problems high boost motors have. but the new motor should be a 300hp motor

lilbluelude · #22 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizlude

Dude your barking up the wrong tree saying that to blake aka 98vtec

He is also right the fastest lude ( md23vtec ) has stock cams in his car or at least he used to

I also am running stock cams... Oh, and I am running over .5 seconds faster than md23vtec down the track in my prelude..

94ludeguy · #23 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lilbluelude

I also am running stock cams... Oh, and I am running over .5 seconds faster than md23vtec down the track in my prelude..

hahaha listen to this ass hole

twokexlv6coupe · #24 (**permalink**) 10-23-2009, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by partyman09

As for turbos.. If you are going stock you can boost up to 8psi with a T3 and 5psi with a GT35R.

10psi here on my stock F22 t3super60. holdin stronggggg after 12K miles

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