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Old 04-19-2009, 01:38 AM
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f22 swap (Frankenstein build)

Alright.... Were to start. This is an update to the thread as of 4-29-10. After the blue section is when I actually first started the build. I think that was about 9 or so months ago. This thread is dedicated to my H23/F22 build. In it I will take you through my build. I am almost done with the whole build. Just waiting to put the motor in.

Reasons for doing this build.
1. I thought it would be cheaper to do this than an H22 swap. I didnt want to shell out the money for one.
2. I really didnt want to put an F22 in my Lude. I didnt want the lack of power I would feel from being used to my H23
3. I had the parts and extra stuff laying around
4. I knew that this build is good for boosting considering that the head swap makes a low enough compression to add more lbs of boost and also the block has steal cylinder walls so I wouldnt have to spend more money to have it sleeved.
5. I was sick of people running their mouths about H22' being the only good thing about Ludes
6. The DSM turbo manifilds bolt up to the H23 head with little modification. So there is a cheap route to turboing it.
7. This motor makes slightly more torque than others.

With that being said I dediced to tear into her. I went in with almost no motor building knowledge. I know a crap ton of other stuff but when it came to the engine I was clueless. So I started to research. I learned form making alot of mistakes.

So to start off here is what you need...

H23 head
F22 block
F22 head gasket/ H23
F22 water pump
F22 belt tensioners
H23 head bolts
H23 valve cover gasket kit
Oil pan gasket
H23 timing belt
F22 balancer belt
H23 Lower timing gear (not balancer gear) salviage this one off of your H23. No need for a new one.
H23 intake and exhaust gaskets

These are all the things you will need to do the build properly. Meaning no cutting corners. It is good to get new things such as the pump and belts as cheap insurance. Get it out of the way while the motors out.

I also baught new NGK plugs and wires. NGK because that is what factory uses and you will have the best luck with power and performance with them.

So with all that being said feel free to read my thread. Like I said as of now I am waiting to put the motor in but I wanted to update people before they read the whole thread. I plan on doing this build again. Maybe building up the bottum end and boosting the crap out of it.

Keep in mind that I did not decide to do the frankenstien build until partially through the thread.

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ok ladies and gents. after alot of saving and hard work and having a bunch of you yell and curse at me... i got enough money to buy an f22 that I found only 10 miles away form where I live. It has 180k on it and it was rebuilt 30k ago. ive been dismantling everything on the engine to pull my motor out and it is all ready to pluck. I have all the new parts I need including a new clutch. I couldnt afford to get a lighter flywheel =(. Anyways Ive been taking pics as I go and will post them later. Its a slow but steady job. All i need now is a starter. I let someone take mine while my lude wasnt running so they could get home after we replaced his clutch and his starter went out. But i havnt heard from him in a while so if anyone knows where I can get a cheap starter let me know. Ill keep updating as the swap progresses. Any tips would be great!

Also does anyone know what kind of mileage an f22 non vtec with the h23 tranny will get?
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The only thing realistic about The Fast and the Furious is that the DSM breaks in the first race!
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i dont think anyone will know that mileage lol. Just calculate it urself. And i hope ur boosting that engine and not putting an f22 in there for no reason.
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I don't have 3k to boost it. otherwise I totally would. but I just need to get it rollin because the motor in it now is blown. I plan on selling it as soon as I get it all done because I found a bb1 I would like.
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ok I have got the old motor out and am going to start assembling the new one. ill post pics asap!
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The only thing realistic about The Fast and the Furious is that the DSM breaks in the first race!
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96 Ford Explorer A.K.A: Chopsmobile (If you drive it you will know why I call it the Chopsmobile) - Blown Tranny
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i usuallly average about 22-25mph, boosted. worst i ever got was 19.

not boosted was around 25-28.

i also have the h23 tranny as well.
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-How much did you get it for?
-How do you know the motor was rebuilt?
-Post pictures ASSAP!!!
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I paid 250 for the motor and ecu.

I bought the motor from a friend who had it sittin in his yard because a kid totalled it and left it there. the kid said he had the motor rebuilt 30k ago at a shop in minnasota.
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The only thing realistic about The Fast and the Furious is that the DSM breaks in the first race!
94 Civic EX - Totalled
89 Civic Hatch (fidanza flywheel, excedy clutch, intake, exhaust, short shifter, tein drop coils, D16ZC) -Sold
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94 Civic EX - Totalled
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96 Chevy S10 (3inch lift kit, tinted windows, sound system, sunroof, ballin!) - Sold
96 Ford Explorer A.K.A: Chopsmobile (If you drive it you will know why I call it the Chopsmobile) - Blown Tranny
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a f22 are good for boost i got an f series thats bout to be on boost single cam nooooo lag hahaha
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a f22 are good for boost i got an f series thats bout to be on boost single cam nooooo lag hahaha
im aware that they the f22s are sweet for boosting but I am just poppin this motor in to get it running again so I can have something to drive. I dont have any where near the money to boost it. I might just sell it asap because I rann across a 95 bb1. But im not sure yet.
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The only thing realistic about The Fast and the Furious is that the DSM breaks in the first race!
94 Civic EX - Totalled
89 Civic Hatch (fidanza flywheel, excedy clutch, intake, exhaust, short shifter, tein drop coils, D16ZC) -Sold
89 CRX (Stock) - Sold
94 Civic EX - Totalled
92 Prelude Si - Blown Motor
96 Chevy S10 (3inch lift kit, tinted windows, sound system, sunroof, ballin!) - Sold
96 Ford Explorer A.K.A: Chopsmobile (If you drive it you will know why I call it the Chopsmobile) - Blown Tranny
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alright. after finding out that I do not have all of the extra goodies with the motor I bought I decided to build the frankenstien g23. I am taking it over to my buddies tomarow to work on it. here are some pics of what I have so far.
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The only thing realistic about The Fast and the Furious is that the DSM breaks in the first race!
94 Civic EX - Totalled
89 Civic Hatch (fidanza flywheel, excedy clutch, intake, exhaust, short shifter, tein drop coils, D16ZC) -Sold
89 CRX (Stock) - Sold
94 Civic EX - Totalled
92 Prelude Si - Blown Motor
96 Chevy S10 (3inch lift kit, tinted windows, sound system, sunroof, ballin!) - Sold
96 Ford Explorer A.K.A: Chopsmobile (If you drive it you will know why I call it the Chopsmobile) - Blown Tranny
91 Honda Accord (Stock) - DD
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ok my comp is bein stupid. ill uplaod the pics tomarow
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The only thing realistic about The Fast and the Furious is that the DSM breaks in the first race!
94 Civic EX - Totalled
89 Civic Hatch (fidanza flywheel, excedy clutch, intake, exhaust, short shifter, tein drop coils, D16ZC) -Sold
89 CRX (Stock) - Sold
94 Civic EX - Totalled
92 Prelude Si - Blown Motor
96 Chevy S10 (3inch lift kit, tinted windows, sound system, sunroof, ballin!) - Sold
96 Ford Explorer A.K.A: Chopsmobile (If you drive it you will know why I call it the Chopsmobile) - Blown Tranny
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are you using the f22a(shoc) or the f22b(dohc)
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na man piecing together a turbo kit is the cheapiest way man
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are you using the f22a(shoc) or the f22b(dohc)
I am usung an f22a.
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The only thing realistic about The Fast and the Furious is that the DSM breaks in the first race!
94 Civic EX - Totalled
89 Civic Hatch (fidanza flywheel, excedy clutch, intake, exhaust, short shifter, tein drop coils, D16ZC) -Sold
89 CRX (Stock) - Sold
94 Civic EX - Totalled
92 Prelude Si - Blown Motor
96 Chevy S10 (3inch lift kit, tinted windows, sound system, sunroof, ballin!) - Sold
96 Ford Explorer A.K.A: Chopsmobile (If you drive it you will know why I call it the Chopsmobile) - Blown Tranny
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na man piecing together a turbo kit is the cheapiest way man
if your saying piecing a kit together is cheaper than buying a full kit then yes I would say you are correct. I am aware that that is a cheap way to go but ill still spend around 1500 to make it and I will have to make a lot of the stuff myself so that would be very time consuming.
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The only thing realistic about The Fast and the Furious is that the DSM breaks in the first race!
94 Civic EX - Totalled
89 Civic Hatch (fidanza flywheel, excedy clutch, intake, exhaust, short shifter, tein drop coils, D16ZC) -Sold
89 CRX (Stock) - Sold
94 Civic EX - Totalled
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96 Chevy S10 (3inch lift kit, tinted windows, sound system, sunroof, ballin!) - Sold
96 Ford Explorer A.K.A: Chopsmobile (If you drive it you will know why I call it the Chopsmobile) - Blown Tranny
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yea u got to cuts some stuff im in the process of doin that but its worth it in the end so how do u like ur f series
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yea u got to cuts some stuff im in the process of doin that but its worth it in the end so how do u like ur f series
I can't ay if I like it or not yet because I ave not put it in yet. if you read this whole thread you would have seen that I a doing a frankenstein build. f22a bottum end with the h23 head. im in the process of putting them together.
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The only thing realistic about The Fast and the Furious is that the DSM breaks in the first race!
94 Civic EX - Totalled
89 Civic Hatch (fidanza flywheel, excedy clutch, intake, exhaust, short shifter, tein drop coils, D16ZC) -Sold
89 CRX (Stock) - Sold
94 Civic EX - Totalled
92 Prelude Si - Blown Motor
96 Chevy S10 (3inch lift kit, tinted windows, sound system, sunroof, ballin!) - Sold
96 Ford Explorer A.K.A: Chopsmobile (If you drive it you will know why I call it the Chopsmobile) - Blown Tranny
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be careful with that it wont last long but good luck with that hope u got a back up engine
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be careful with that it wont last long but good luck with that hope u got a back up engine
what makes you think it wont last? the sleaves in the f22 are alot stronger than in either the h23 or h22.
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The only thing realistic about The Fast and the Furious is that the DSM breaks in the first race!
94 Civic EX - Totalled
89 Civic Hatch (fidanza flywheel, excedy clutch, intake, exhaust, short shifter, tein drop coils, D16ZC) -Sold
89 CRX (Stock) - Sold
94 Civic EX - Totalled
92 Prelude Si - Blown Motor
96 Chevy S10 (3inch lift kit, tinted windows, sound system, sunroof, ballin!) - Sold
96 Ford Explorer A.K.A: Chopsmobile (If you drive it you will know why I call it the Chopsmobile) - Blown Tranny
91 Honda Accord (Stock) - DD
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cause f22s are supossed to have f series heads not h series
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cause f22s are supossed to have f series heads not h series
I am sorry to say this but if you dont know what your talking about then dont say anything.

Of course the f series bottum ends are suposed to have f series heads. that is why this is called a frankenstien motor or a hybrid. It can be done and it is pretty reliable. the reason people build these motors is so they can turbo then because they can handle more boost than say an h23 or h22. do your research and come back to me when you have found proof or a valid reason why this wont work or why it wont be reliable.
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i no it can be done but r u wantin a reliable car or somethin fast for a year
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i no it can be done but r u wantin a reliable car or somethin fast for a year
both. i still dont understand why you think these motors arent reliable. if you can give me an example as to why they arent reliable then please let me know and maybe you can sve me some trouble. but if you cant provide a reason as to why they arent reliable and you are just going on what you heard with no valid points then please dont act like you know what your talking about.
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ive heard good an bad bout those but i dont no from experience
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what is the bad that you have heard of?
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cuz everything you hear is 100% correct. if i said the sun revolved around the earth, that would mean that that's correct as well.

i could just as easily say H23's suck cuz i've blown 2 of them up first hand, none of this "i heard this, i heard that". or F22's are awesome cuz i've had no problems w/ my reliable 250hp one.

every motor is different, just because one blows up doesn't mean they all will. stop being so close-minded and stop giving out false information especially when your facts are only based off of hearsay and not personal experience.
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ive heard good an bad bout those but i dont no from experience
if you dont know from experience dont give advice. watch this video!

i have a f20b dohc that im putting a h22a4 head on that is eventually going to go in the 87 si im getting. it can be done it will hold up and will last! this vid proves it if it can hold that much power im sure it will hold up to what hes doing. yes i know this is not a f22 but it is a f series combined with a h series.
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Well Im think that combo's compression ratio will be in the low 9 or high 8s which is nowhere near a full H23 is( H23 head/block). Correct me if im wrong.

Can we say perfect for boost?
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ok fellas! this thread has been left alone for some time now because I have been stuck doing research! I have spent countless hours reading other threads on the swap I am doing. But now I am back and I am pressing on wven harder to finish this build before school starts. By the end of the week I am going to try and have the head and block checked to see if they need to be plained. I will update as soon as I can.
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Back to the update! So since my last post I was let off of my job and now I am driving around a 95 Explorer that shakes and shimmy's and the driver side door is held on by a bungee cord. My mom does not want me driving it so she suggested I talk to my grandpa. My car is in my grandpas garage and he does not want it in there very much longer so he decided to help me out with buying the parts needed so I cant finish it and get it out of the garage. So this week I will add up all the parts needed and let him know by the weekend. Also I am going to get the head checked out. Hopefully she will be running soon!
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