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New Prelude

Well, my buddy just bought a 93 Prelude. He doesnt know much about cars, but he wants to learn.

i dont know anything about these cars, so what is the first thing we should check? what are the common issues with these cars?

there is some body work to be done, but he says the car ran good when he test drove it. im just wondering what kind of stuff we should look out for.

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Re: New Prelude

Just look for basic stuff that you would look for on other cars.

How many miles are on it? It's probably due for a timing-belt change, as most people put it off and it could cause a lot of damage if it snaps, or skips a couple teeth. You'll end up have to replace all the valves, and the motor won't run.

I tell everyone, always look at the color of the dipstick, not so much the oil. If the dipstick is stained brown, then there's a good chance the oil wasn't changed all that often. I'd switch to royal purple oil, or mobil1, if your friend hasn't already.

What motor is in the prelude? Look down at the top of the motor. Directly to the left of the exhaust manifold/heat shield, there is a piece of the block that is totally flat. On there will be a code. You will most likely have 1 of 3 different motors. F22A1, H23A1, or H22A1.

I'm sure somebody else will chime in about what to look for when purchasing a used lude. Can we get pictures of it?
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Re: New Prelude

my friend is in bc, and im in alberta. he is moving out here in about 2 months. i only have the pictures off the add for the car.

the motor was swapped out for something, so ill see if i can remember what it was swapped to.

i was going to look at the timing belt, i know they get neglected hahaa!

motor is from a 96 prelude with 180k on it.







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Re: New Prelude

Well the car isn't a bad color, but it looks like the previous owner backed into a telephone pole or light pole or something. With a new trunklid, front bumper, hood, and windshield the car will be looking good again. Any damage on the sides? Any rust?

can you do me a favor?

Besides taking a look at the motor, see if his horn works with that aftermarket steering wheel (Its just for my own personal use)
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Welcome looks like your friend has some work to do.
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Re: New Prelude

im gunna be doing most of the work. he doesnt know much about mechanics, and i do. so im going to be doing everything, and he will help and learn as we go.

nothing is beyond fixing, so its a good base project car.
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Re: New Prelude

check the ball joints, tie rods, and bearings....most of that stuff was bad on my car when i bought it ha
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Re: New Prelude

If it's standard have him call the previous owner and find out when the clutch was replaced. If it was over 100,000 miles ago, tell your buddy to start saving up.
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Re: New Prelude

how much are clutches for these cars?
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Re: New Prelude

well, he bought the car for 900 bucks. it didnt pass aircare, so we have to figure out what's up with it...

what are some things to check for, if it didnt pass emissions?

he is also saying that the clutch feels heavy, and the throttle is really sensitive... is it supposed to be like that, or could it need a new clutch? maybe bleed the clutch lines?

also, are these cars OBD1 or OBD2?
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Re: New Prelude

clutches are right around $300, flywheels are about $150.

92-95 are OBD1. 96-up are OBD2.
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Re: New Prelude

Clutches are cheap with doing some shopping I found my current one (OEM replacement) for about $140 from AutoPartsWarehouse.com

Flywheel's can cost a little bit, but most of the time you can just get them resurfaced for way less than a new one.
The part that gets you the most is labor. If you can't do the clutch yourself then you're gonna be paying around $800 for a mechanic to do it. Luckily I got a good deal and only paid a couple hundred.
Is the clutch hard to do? If you're inexperienced then yes. I'm sure there's a DIY tut on the forums if you want to know how to change the clutch out.

I'd say a "heavy" clutch means it's new. Is it stiff to push down? If it is it could mean a couple things. 1. It's a new clutch 2. It's a stage (1, 2, 3) clutch 3. He may be low on clutch fluid. You can check the clutch fluid under the hood right next to the driver side closer to the window. It will say use only Honda DOT 3 (or w/e number) brake fluid. If it is low you'll want to top it off with said brake fluid and keep an eye on because it may have a leak.

For emissions try replacing the spark plugs and wires, new air filter, (i've heard them failing you if your gas cap isn't pressurized or keeping pressure w/e) Your basic tune up will really held (above mentioned + oil change)
Or it could be your O2 sensor or at worst the catalytic converter. They should have told him why he failed.

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Re: New Prelude

i dont think he got it air-care'd today... i can double check, though...

anyways... so, his car, being a 93, with a 96 engine, it would still have OBD1, right? meaning, you can jumper it, and read the codes off the check engine light? (at least, thats how i can do it on my truck...)

i can build engines, and stuff, so doing the clutch wont be hard. getting to it would be the hardest part! how would you get to it? lift the car up, and drop the tranny out? ive never done a FWD car before... everything ive ever done rebuilds on has been RWD...

Thanks for all the help thus far guys! i really appreciate it!
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Good luck with everything...you will find that Hondas are pretty easy to work on.
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Re: New Prelude

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i dont think he got it air-care'd today... i can double check, though...

anyways... so, his car, being a 93, with a 96 engine, it would still have OBD1, right? meaning, you can jumper it, and read the codes off the check engine light? (at least, thats how i can do it on my truck...)

i can build engines, and stuff, so doing the clutch wont be hard. getting to it would be the hardest part! how would you get to it? lift the car up, and drop the tranny out? ive never done a FWD car before... everything ive ever done rebuilds on has been RWD...

Thanks for all the help thus far guys! i really appreciate it!

it could be either. i'm gonna guess its still OBD2 cuz converting it to OBD1 is kinda a pain in teh arse. (i did it with my 96 F22 once i boosted it)
rewiring the dizzy was the worst part

you can check yourself tho by loooking at the ecu. if theres a conversion harness attached to it (between the ecu and wiring harness) then thats an OBD2-OBD1 conversion harness, meaning its OBD1.
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Re: New Prelude

i know. i changed out the head gasket on the wife's 94 civic.

did it in the middle of january with a chinook. it was -5 out, and it was starting to get dark. i was almost done, i cracked a beer open, sat it on my tailgate, turned around to do up the final bolts on the valve cover, turn around, and my beer is frozen solid. it droppd to -32 in like 20 minutes.

but yea, it took me 3 days with no experience to do a head gasket on a 94 civic. working around 4 hours a day.

im sure i can tackle thing thing no problem!
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Re: New Prelude

im guessing the touchy gas peddle could be do to a lightened flywheel. if someone swapped the motor there is achance that they replaced the clutch and put a lightened flywheel in. you should find out what all was done to the car.
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Re: New Prelude

according to my buddy, the previous owner had for the car for 1000km. he didnt change the oil, and didnt do anything to the car.

short of ripping it apart, i dont know how to check for a lightened flywheel or any of that stuff...

my buddy keeps saying there is a burning smell coming from somewhere low in the engine bay... any ideas? he doesnt know what burning brakes smells like, so its hard for him to exactly describe what kind of burning smell it is...

i wondered if maybe it was the clutch, so i got him to start the car in neutral, then push the clutch in and put it into 1st gear. he said it went into gear VERY smooth! he couldnt emphasize enough to me how smooth it went in haha!

maybe he doesnt have a lighter flywheel and a performance clutch or something?
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Re: New Prelude

well, its starting to show its colors...

its now throwing codes on him. he looked em up, and found that he has a

EGR system is malfunction

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heated 02 sensor issue

so what do we do about these?

can the EGR just be cleaned or something? as for the O2 sensor, would he need a new one?
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I thought you lived next to him? Why don't you go down there and give the car a drive so you can tell whats wrong with it. O2 sensor is more than likely going to need to be replaced, but first try cleaning the IACV then reset the code that might clear it up.
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what is IACV?

i live in alberta, and he lives in bc. we're about 10 hours apart. he is moving here in may though
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Idle Air Control Valve to find out how to clean it use search. Also he might want to try getting a can seafoam and putting it in his intake mani. look up a tut how.
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