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Old 02-23-2009, 11:11 AM
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a quick question

my dad been telling me that i wont get any horse power out of intake and exhaust i know it wouldnt really be noticeable unless you test it and how fast you think they do 0 to 60 with 30,000 miles on jdm h22a cause i beat a mercedes e420 by about 2 car lengths
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Re: a quick question

the jdm motor prevails over the usdm by 2 significant factors.
the jdm pistions compress 10.6-1 vs us @ 10:1
the cams are a lil different to but not a huge difference.
your dad sounds like the old school kind that had to put money into the head and the cams to obtain more power, there was not a whole lot to expand on the intake setups on old carbed cars and exhaust was already well setup in most cases on the older cars, except for the exhaust manafolds.
the truth is you will feel it, if your car was a push rod 8 valve 4 cilinder it would probABLY not be worth the effort. you need to remind him you have a 11.6:1 16 valve hi reving engine that in v-tech with your motor at 8krpms your passing just as much air through as his old v8's do.
with a full exhaust upgrade header back to the can or w-e u use youl feel the strongest gain.
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Re: a quick question

Not with basic cheap ebay intake and exhaust you won't really get much.

If your looking to make power, you have to spend some money. A cat-back exhaust won't add almost any power, and you get very little from intakes. The only way you'll make power is to go with a good header, high flow cat, and whatever muffler you wish to use.

Good headers are brands like RMF, SMPS, etc etc. Also someone was saying something about a brand ... I believe it was Hytech? I may be wrong...
Here is a link for RMF headers. They are expensive, but you'll actually see power out of these. DO NOT buy DC sports, megan (not to be confused with mugen), and other ebay type brands. Do your research and go from there.
http://www.importpowerhouse.com/cust...manifolds.htm#

Also, 98Vtec, a very well known lude owner, has made a few threads will some valuable information. Especially regarding N/A parts. This one is the difference each intake makes (This was also on his JDM H22A)
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2049478

Just remember, you have to pay to play. If your looking to make some decent power your going to end up having to spend some cash.
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Re: a quick question

i do have dc sports and and dc muffler you think i should change that up? and stock intake manifold but aem v2 intake which i know that gained power
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Kronicus, his motor has a phone in it?


Make sure your header has a collector bigger than 2" or it will not matter over stock. Remember, an exhaust system should be considered as a whole, not just one thing you put on. If you're going to do it right, get something with a 2.5" collector, a high flow cat (I passed emmissions with my old Random Technologies cat) and an exhaust system that is at least that large too (piping, not at the tip). As for the intake, those can make power all across the power band, so I'd say go for it!

There are lots of things to do to get horsepower, just search alot. Your dad probably doesn't want you to lose reliability or see you waste money on something you might never get into, especially if this is your first car.
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i do have dc sports and and dc muffler you think i should change that up? and stock intake manifold but aem v2 intake which i know that gained power
If your looking to make some more power than yes I'd recommend swapping out that header. The DC muffler is okay, because mufflers don't make almost any difference what-so-ever. Look into high flow cat's if you do decide to replace the DC header.

The AEM V2 is a perfectly fine intake. A lot of prelude owners use them, and I haven't heard almost anything bad about them. Also, you don't need to worry about your intake manifold. Even replacing the intake manifold you won't pull too much power out of, unless you go with a turbo build.

If your looking for some extra ponies, look into Cams. Skunk2 and JUN I know are both great aftermarket companies with good cams. Cams + Tune you'll definitely pull some ponies out of.
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Re: a quick question

You may also be a candidate for a lightened flywheel, although it won't "give" you any horsepower, it certainly won't rob it and your throttle response will be much better. This is expensive though, if you're paying somebody to put it in, but could be worth your time if you're looking for basic level upgrades.
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You may also be a candidate for a lightened flywheel, although it won't "give" you any horsepower, it certainly won't rob it and your throttle response will be much better. This is expensive though, if you're paying somebody to put it in, but could be worth your time if you're looking for basic level upgrades.
^^I agree with this guy

I meant to touch on that in my previous post but I forgot

And just like he said it'll increase your throttle response. Your RPMs will go up and drop at a more drastic rate. It'll take some time to get used to a lightened flywheel, but its really a great mod. I'd wait till you're due for your next clutch job, and get a lightened flywheel and stage 1 clutch. I always vouch for Exedy (i have a stage 1 exedy in my lude) and Honda uses Exedy clutches from the factory. If honda uses them, thats enough to convince me to use them

Also, competition clutch is another great clutch maker. Some of their stuff is for top of the line hondas, but I'd take a look around at their products anyway.
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Kronicus, his motor has a phone in it?


Make sure your header has a collector bigger than 2" or it will not matter over stock. Remember, an exhaust system should be considered as a whole, not just one thing you put on. If you're going to do it right, get something with a 2.5" collector, a high flow cat (I passed emmissions with my old Random Technologies cat) and an exhaust system that is at least that large too (piping, not at the tip). As for the intake, those can make power all across the power band, so I'd say go for it!

There are lots of things to do to get horsepower, just search alot. Your dad probably doesn't want you to lose reliability or see you waste money on something you might never get into, especially if this is your first car.
lmao hahaha vtech i passed by a dealer and thats how it was written on the window of a lude...gave me a good laugh
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Re: a quick question

Like was said before, you won't see much gain unless you do the whole exhaust system. AEM is the standard for intakes pretty much, an Intake manifold won't do a whole lot unless you have some big mods (Forced Induction, built head, etc). As far as headers, the best ones out there are: HyTech, RMF, SMSP, and Bisi is coming out with one for the H-series as well. 2.3"-2.5" exhaust piping is best unless you have some crazy N/A build, and it doesn't really matter what can you go with, it's pretty much sound preference.
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Re: a quick question

ok so by the way i already have a high flow cat its a car sound cat and i really want to get into cams but i really dont have the money unless anyone knows how to get everything done under a grand
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Re: a quick question

Because I'm an info-whore, i would like to offer my last $.02 to your performance needs.

You know the mods you can do to increase the acceleration of your car?
You know the mods you can do to increase the braking performance of your car?
You know the mods you can do to increase the handling of your car?

It's simple, all three of those can be achieved by a high performance set of tires.

It doesn't matter if you have stock rims or not, but tires are a perfect way to increase it all. I would highly recommend this first, because then you can start learning the limits of your car.

I think a high performance set of tires should be the first modification anybody does to their car. But most people wont' do this when they see other people putting shiny engine bits and pieces on their car and you're just stuck with dull black rubber. But when it comes to racing, you would be the victor.

Just consider it before you start dropping big $ on this stuff you might not be satisfied with.
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Re: a quick question

thats what i said smokey header back to the can will hit harder than a intake, no question.

hytech is an eletronics board repair company that dials in almost directly into copier board repair.
how do i know...........guess what i do!

btw those vtech phones suk, i bought one and the battery would not stay charged! even followed the directions letting it charge for hours b4 use...

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I would say no, you will not be able to cam your motor and a get a big performance gain out of it for under $1000. You could buy cams for under $1000, yes, but you'd also need valves, springs, retainers, as well as a tune to get any real power out of it. And if you want to do it right, you'll need headwork done, valve job, etc.
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I need a little help identifying some problems. I just bought this car and its my first Honda. I love it but am not sure how to fix some problems with the car.

My idle jumps after the car is warmed up. Its fine when its cold but cant keep it from jumpin up than it goes down almost till it stalls and over and over again. What can I do to fix this. Please help.

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Re: a quick question

However, you can always find a head somebody is selling with either all of that stuff already for way cheaper than it took to put it all together brand new. Sure, you'd be getting something with more than a couple thousand miles on it, but I've had limited luck with the two extra heads I've bought since I first got the prelude. The first head had aftermarket valves and valve guides and was given a basic port and polish, but there was something wrong with one of valves and it made the car idle terribly and had a clicking noise. The car didn't run right until i purchased my second head (with supertech valves, dual valve springs, titanium retainers and bronze valve guides) for a mere $350. All I would have had to do is buy $500 cams and I could've stayed under the 1G limit.

So search around for used heads first, they're probably worth it. Just ask the owner why he is selling it and try to get a firsthand look at the one you'll buy in the previous owners car and see if you can hear it run.
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Please don't threadjack. It's extremely annoying. Also, double-posting is unnecessary. Use the Edit button in the bottom right-hand corner of your post.

As far as bouncing idle goes, it's an extremely common problem on our cars. Use the search button, do a little bit of reading, and I bet you can find the answer yourself.

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All I would have had to do is buy $500 cams and I could've stayed under the 1G limit.
Ok so you'd be at $850. But if you want to actually take advantage of all the dopeass parts you just dropped into your car, you're still gonna need a tune, and chances are that's going to cost you more than $150. Not to mention if you have to swap to OBD1, get a wiring harness, get tuning software, etc.
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i tuned my motor my self....what a waste of money, just like they said....o....u want it balaced thats going to be $100 an hour.
ya right i took that motor and hung it from a cherry picker and adjusted it till it was perfectly horizontial.....bam balanced.....
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thats just the truth though i pay just over 600 for my cams think the valves were 200+ springs about the same and retainters just under 200
then theres bearings......and if you want the valves to seat right they need to at least do a simple valve job....run you about $200 cant forget the vat job $40
you can just toss in the cams but there going to trash the oem springs and lash the valves-seats gauntreed.

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Guys ... if you go with a stage 1 cam (or a cam that the lobes aren't extremely large) then you can still retain your original valves, springs, and retainers. They recommend that you do it, but its not necessary.

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how do i know...........guess what i do!
Oh and btw hytech is a real exhaust company... Just a FYI


http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1437360
http://www.hytechexhaust.com/
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LoL @ Kronicus. But Smok3y, I agree 100%, I'm just trying to say that without a tune you're not going to gain as much as you normally would with a tune.
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LoL @ Kronicus. But Smok3y, I agree 100%, I'm just trying to say that without a tune you're not going to gain as much as you normally would with a tune.
No, yes I totally agree. I think me and you are on the same page here.
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yeah so basically if i want the job done right and decent stuff i will be looking for more then 1 grand but it is do able? i not sure if i want to go with used because you never know what your getting and then if something is wrong then i will be screwed cause i wont be able to get another one cause of tight budget and the only place i know that tunes around here in minesota by the way is db performance and they charged me 350$ for an hour on the dyno and about 200 for p28 and another 200 for hondata s100
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yeah so basically if i want the job done right and decent stuff i will be looking for more then 1 grand but it is do able? i not sure if i want to go with used because you never know what your getting and then if something is wrong then i will be screwed cause i wont be able to get another one cause of tight budget and the only place i know that tunes around here in minesota by the way is db performance and they charged me 350$ for an hour on the dyno and about 200 for p28 and another 200 for hondata s100
Dude you hit the nail on the head.

Cars are not cheap. You can pick up little horsepower here and there with some aftermarket parts, but to get any real power your going to have to spend some money....

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First why dose every one say go with a 2.5 exhaust????

Ok lets get some things out!
Do you want a FASTER car
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Faster 0-60 time in most cases the race is over by 60 mph

The stock size is fine, get a high flow cat, and what ever exhaust you like the sound/looks of because it wont help you. Intakes dont give much power just looks and sound again (on stock motor with out big upgrades) Smaller
exahust= more back pressure and better starts
big= pushing out the most exhaust and more top end (why turbos have huges exhausts)

Someone metioned up the flywheel, i would have to agree with them and say these a big diffrence in driving a standard flywheel compared to a Fidinza flywheel, the stock clutch is fine on the lighten flywheel. Id spend that money on a new clutch and fly wheel set up with some good tires. Learn your launches and shifting so that you stay in Vtec, really most racing is driver error so if you know how to launch like a pro, the bossted civics will still be at the start smoking his tires by the time your at 60 mph hitting 3rd gear vtec.

The compression on the ludes is high so run the best gas you can, if not theres not enoguht octane and detionation will happen (new a friend who blew his motor because of detionation)

thats really my advice on how to have a fast N/A build for cheap, plus the h22 is one of its kind my friend!!! Hardest pulling Vtec motor!!!
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Ok lets get some things out!
Do you want a FASTER car

Faster 0-60 time in most cases the race is over by 60 mph

The stock size is fine, get a high flow cat, and what ever exhaust you like the sound/looks of because it wont help you. Intakes dont give much power just looks and sound again (on stock motor with out big upgrades) Smaller
exahust= more back pressure and better starts
big= pushing out the most exhaust and more top end (why turbos have huges exhausts)

Someone metioned up the flywheel, i would have to agree with them and say these a big diffrence in driving a standard flywheel compared to a Fidinza flywheel, the stock clutch is fine on the lighten flywheel. Id spend that money on a new clutch and fly wheel set up with some good tires. Learn your launches and shifting so that you stay in Vtec, really most racing is driver error so if you know how to launch like a pro, the bossted civics will still be at the start smoking his tires by the time your at 60 mph hitting 3rd gear vtec.

The compression on the ludes is high so run the best gas you can, if not theres not enoguht octane and detionation will happen (new a friend who blew his motor because of detionation)

thats really my advice on how to have a fast N/A build for cheap, plus the h22 is one of its kind my friend!!! Hardest pulling Vtec motor!!!
I agree and disagree a lot with this post.

2-2.5" exhaust is ideal. No bigger. Turbo builds are good for 2.5-3" exhaust. And there is no such thing as back pressure but I guess if you want to get technical, a more restricting exhaust helps move the exhaust gasses out faster. Anything under 3" is perfectly fine for his car. Like I said though, 2-2.5" is great.

As far as the clutch goes, I would recommend stage 1 over stock. Not only does he have plans in his head that he wants to get some performance mods, but it'll last longer than an OEM one under aggressive driving. Plus its not that much more. It'd be worth the extra bucks.

And the statement about driver error is correct to a certain extent. You just have to know or learn your car. But driver error isn't really what we're on the subject of, even though it is a good point. 2 steps are great, but I don't think he'd really have the use for one ...

And I would hope he uses premium (highest octane on pump) fuel.
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LoL I was gonna say... when people say they have too much/too little back pressure, it's BS. As far as I know, that's where poor exhaust cam timing comes in. You don't need back pressure, however you DO need good exhaust velocity. Lots of terminology and theory involved in that. Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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i already have 2 and a quarter piping for exhaust and i have a high flow cat and intake and a few system mods and a nitrous set up other then that.... thats all i have i just looking for some way to get more power out of car with out wasting nitrous every time i wanna do a little race its to pointless cause but i know its fast but no one else believes that lol
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do you use nitrous on the stock h22 sleeves?
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yeah but only 75 shot and it tuned out so it not to bad i barely use i used once and yeah but the power was unbeliveable it felt like i could run high 13s in qaurter
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First off...could you elaborate what you mean by "tuned out?"

Secondly... You might not wanna go any higher than a 75shot on the stock motor...just for future reference.
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