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In this thread I will discuss my plans hopes and dreams for resto-moding my Prelude--

And you're going to help me figure out what to do in what way and how because I've never done anything like it and I'm going to need massive amounts of help along the way.

If what I'm planning on doing here works out the way I want it to, I'll be updating this thread for years to come.

So come in, sit back, relax, get ready to read, and marvel at the fact that I'm completely clueless and about to undertake a massive project over the next few years/months to come.

If you don't like to read, this is probably not a good thread for you.... (We'll see how well it goes off if I don't get a single reply for weeks lol)

So to begin the discussion lets start with what I've got to work with...


I have a 1992 Prelude Si Automatic. Currently it has:
1. A full stereo in it, that I never really got the head unit to fit right in.

2. 5 lug swap done to put on my s2000 wheels. Beacuse of the axle splines not fitting correctly on a 5th gen hub right the spline basically goes through the face of the wheels so I had to use H&R Spacers (with extended lugs) to fit them on correctly. The only problem is after road force balancing 2x, countless alignments etc... I still can't get the shimmy out of the steering wheel. (Wheels aren't bent, tires aren't egg shaped)

3. Tokico Illumina's with Ground Control Coilovers... the car is my defnition of slammed. that is, as low as possible while still being driveable. I suspect that the negative camber could be part of the cause of the steering wheel shimmy but I'm not sure

4. Ebay 1pc Projector Headlights that are pretty good looking I think with some ebay Xenons. For some reason the driver side cuts out intermittently sometimes and I traced it to one loose wire.

Its equipped with an H23 currently. The odometer reads 96k miles on it. Car fax says its correct but I don't believe it, car just has too many little issues I think.

Recently it had all kinds of oil leaks that I wasted way too much money with the dealer to have them fix it all and its currently not leaking anywhere.

However I still feel like i smell something burning. My suspicion is its coming from the headlight wiring but after inspecting it several times I can't seem to find anything so I'm not sure how to pin point it.

The ABS light has been on since day one, and its probably going to stay on since after I did the 5 lug conversion, I never found the proper abs sensors I'd need. I felt it would probably too difficult to route the wires to where they're supposed to go.

The sunroof Opens wonderfully, but takes about 5 minutes to close in super slow mode.

There are all kindsa creaks and rattles that I think are common of a 17 year old car that I would like to find and take care of as many as possible.

The car must have been hit at one point from the drivers side becuse the driverside door is not original (it clearly came from a red Prelude). Whoever put it on didn't do a good job beacuse theres always a creek when opening and closing it. Also the rubber stripping on my driver side door is all screwed up and at speed theres a nasty wind noise coming from it.

Recently there has been a new noise coming from the AC Compressor. It only comes on when the AC is switched on and goes off when the AC is turned off. The noise is rattle of some sort. The AC still blows ice cold but the noise is a little embarrassing while driving With the ac on. Not much of a concern right now while we're in the winter months.

Other than all that, its a great looking somewhat reliable Daily driver. Does the job without much bitching and looks great doing it (see sig for an example picture)



So heres the goals, and its the plan that I'm going to need your help with:

The vision is to build a great 'touring style' comfortable, but pretty damn quick car. Think Infiniti G37 or Bmw 335ci, not Tuner Civic, or 2 door version of a Lancer Evo. And the goal is to do as much of it as possible myself in my spare time over the next year or more (as time and finances present itself)

Something that I could get into and drive to NYC or anywhere else in the country, be completely comfortable in, completely entertained in, completely thrilled in (in terms of power). Again Think 335Ci with a really nice stereo DVD system.

You may ask why I would even bother doing all this to a 16 year old prelude vs just buying that 335ci and putting in the stereo and calling it a day. Well I have a strong connection to them. My father bought a 92 Prelude as his first brand new car whcih to him back then was like buying a ferrari. Busted his ass for it, and wanted it to be my first car when I was old enough. Well the theives in Newark NJ in 1996 didn't really care for that plan much and decided to steal it.

So as soon as I got my first love, (my S2000) I decided to buy a used Prelude to use as a DD and to drive it till it fell apart at which time I would start ripping it apart and started learning how to do things and fix things myself rather than be a magazine tuner/car lover my entire life lol. I've always wanted to learn so many things when it comes to working on and building cars but my father isn't much of a car guy, and neither are any of my friends. All I know comes from reading online and just diving in. And the way I see it I'm not gonna do that to my s2000 (which is still farily new and under warranty) and I'm not gonna do it to a new 335ci. I need something that if I break I can fix relatively easy and not really care.


So how do I plan on making it happen?

Well the idea is to strip it down to begin with. Rip out my interior/dash/seats etc... dynomat the hell out of it, try to find anything that could possibly rattle and secure it or pad it.

I figure then the next step would be to get everything reappolsterd. My goal is to go with an all black interior. I want to get the dash, the center console (after a 94-96 conversion) completely re-wrapped in black leather. Have the seats either re done or swap them out for something more comfortable (but also sporty) etc...

For entertainment, I would love to build a carputer. But I haven't decided how best to do that yet. Space inthe prelude is hard to come by. I've toyed around with removing the rear seats beacuse i mean lets face it, who the hell is gonna fit back there? and using the space to build my carputer as well as house my subwoofer/amp rack, and leaving my trunk wide open for luggage etc...

Theres a lot of small projects I would like to do as well such as:
1. Do a nice custom LED tail light setup.
2. Auto dimming mirror with homelink and compass/temp gauge
3. Adding Accent lighting under the dash. Doing some kinda custom center console with switches to control all the lighting but integrating it nicely. somehow.
4. Alot more.

So now I know many of you are thinking jesus this thing is gonna be heavier than obama's new limo. And you'd probably be right, so I guess its time to address some performance issues.

And this is exactly where I'm primarily going to need the help of the members on this board.

First of all I want to go H22. I have an automatic right now, I want a 5 spd.
So hmotorsonline.com will probably get a nice order from me soon. My problem is short of changing my alternator, and starter I've never really worked on a motor at all. The most difficult thing Iv'e done is my 5lug swap.

I want to make damn good power. I dont plan on ever racing it, but on the high way I want to be able to punch it and be thrown back in my seat despite all the extra weight etc... I have though about going turbo but I'm not sure. I've thought about supercharging it but I'm not sure. I've thought about just building it N/A but I'm not sure I could get enough power.

And ultimately I'm not sure how the reliability of all of these options will work out in the long run? I need to know i'm not gonna get stranded some place in the middle of no where on a nice long road trip.

Also I'm of the naive opinion that power = loud. And i dont want that. I dont want a loud exhaust, I dont want the drone of my motor/exhaust in the car. While its nice for the most part around town, after about 4 hours that drone is good for a down right headache. So is it possible to build a comfortable touring prelude with plenty of power and without a loud or even not too loud just drone-y exhaust?


Car parts I already have:

As of now I've got a plethora of parts that I've purchased and never had the time or wanted to install yet.

1. I have everything I need for a 94-96 console conversion. Colors don't match but thats fine because I want to get everything reconditioned/wrapped in leather.
2. JDM Power folding mirrors and switch.
3. 97+ Sunroof glass, never replaced my -starting to rust- metal sunroof
4. ABS Actuator/Pump because mine is leaking, didn't realize it was so hard to get to. Will be replacing mine when my motor is out.
5. Probably more **** that I can't remember.







If you've read this far, I would assume you're willing to help.

CHAPTER 1 lol: So my first questions start with out with acquiring tools.




I have a decent set of craftsman tools. Your basic ****, wrenches screw drivers, plyer set, sledge hammer, socket sets, extensions, etc... I have a ****ty soldering iron, heat gun, dremel and plenty of attachments. Power tools, I have a drill a power saw. Thats pretty much it.

So here is a list of things that I've been thinking about picking up. The first real question I have for you all is your thoughts on brands and places to purchase the following things. What should I look for? what should I stay away from? What things from the list am I missing for now?

Floor Jack - I have a ****ty craftsman one like I said before. I'd like to get a better one, something that can jack the car up pretty high so that I can get up underneath it. Right now I think I got about 12" of clearance which Is probably not going to be nearly enough to get up under it to get to the transmission. What should I look for? So far I've found some low profile, commercial grade ones from Northerntool.com for about $150 that seem to have pretty good height. What other local type shops should I look into? Sears sucks for anything but craftsman and I dont think craftsman will have what I'm looking for. Buying online is fine with me but shipping/freight is always so expensive. What do you all think about harbor freight?


Jack Stands - I have a set of 4, but they're kinda crappy ones I got from discount auto parts. I'd like to get 4 larger more sturdier ones that I dont have to worry about the car swaying on. Any recommendations?


Air Compressor - This is a big one. I've looked so much and read so many specs I'm not evens sure anymore what to get. I don't want something HUGE because I can't afford it. At the same time I want something that can run an impact gun and other automotive associated tools. The ones that seem powerful enough aren't usually compatible with a 110 volt power source. I can't get a 220 volt power source run to my garage without it costing me an arm and a leg. I don't have an attic or any crawl space and the breaker box is way far away from my garage. So what do you all suggest any tips on what minimum specs I should go for? What brands? What local shops? Harbor Freight/Sears/Home Depot/Lowes? Also what air tools are commonly needed for automotive work?

When I did my 5 lug swap I borrowed an impact gun from a friend of mine. Snap on, 14.4 volt cordless. It was sick. But almost as expensive as my budget for a whole compressor AND impact gun would cost I was thinking that perhaps I could get one of those and then just get a small compressor? What do you think? Would the compressor be more beneficial and an impact that has to go with it be more beneficial given that I could use it for a lot more?


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I've been trying to decide If it would be better to rent one of these or buy one. I dont plan on having to pull this motor again or any other car again. But at the same time I dont know what hiccups and problms I'm going to run into especially since I have no idea what the hell I'm doing. And I'm afraid of having to keep the thing for so long at the costs of renting ends up being more than buying on in and of itself. Has anyone ever rented one before? I have no idea what they cost to rent or how large they are when folded up beacuse I dont have a car that I can easily carry it home with. The biggest vehicle I have access to on a daily basis is a Mazda 6 (with the backseat down)

If I should pick one up to keep, Like before, recomendation of brands, where to purchase, average price , etc??

Engine Stand'
This is something I definitely want to buy and keep so that I can build my new motor myself and learn about what the hell I'm doing as I go along.

Any recommendations on brand? What to look for when I buy? where to buy? etc...? I know the configuration of the stand itself is important so that it doesn't tip over earily, and easy to move etc... but any specifics I should look for?


Miscellaneous Tools
I already have a good socket set, I'd probably get a better one sometime down the line. How different are some soldering irons to others? I have a pretty crapy one That I got from walmart. but I think it does the job.

If I break any bolts I'm going to need **** to help me get drill it out. But I've never actually done this before. I'll worry about the step by step and how to later, but what will I need to do the job?

What else do you all think would be a good investment for doing this kind of over haul/restoration.


Thanks for reading everyone and thanks for all your help in advance.

If no one actually does read it and not a single person ever does reply thats fine because it at least helped me map out in my head exactly what my goals are for her.

We'll be discussing what to do with the H22... what options there are for suspension, helping me chose colors etc... should be a fun next few years.

If you read this far u'll wanna subscribe beacuse I'll be documenting everything and taking pictuers of everything as I go. Hopefully there will be quite a few good write ups/DIY's coming out of it!
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wow..thats probably the longest post i have ever read.. so let me get this straight..u wanna do a 5spd conversion and are gonna order the engine and want to redo the interior..correct?? oh and do something with the chassis? yes?
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wow..thats probably the longest post i have ever read.. so let me get this straight..u wanna do a 5spd conversion and are gonna order the engine and want to redo the interior..correct??
Basic jist:

I'mnot sure if i wanna spend as much money as an h22 on hmotors since i'm going to rebuild the whole thing anyway. Why not just buy an older one and rebuilt it?

But Yes the motor and transmission will come from *someplace* converted from auto to 5spd (gotta make sure I can keep cruise control)

More than just buying the motor though, I want to build it right for some really good power. I mean my goal is to be right up there with the 330ci (older bmw) and G35. despite all the weight. dont laugh beacuse i dont really know whats a realistic expectation, but I'd love to see 300hp to the wheels.

But its gotta be done reliably and the car has to be comfortable. I dont want a super hard clutch, or a ultra loud exhaust. So I dont know what to realistically expect there, but its up for future debate/discussion in this thread.

I'm gonna redo the interior probably a lot of fiberglass work (i'll be learning that and posting a lot in here regarding it) especially if I decide to go with a car-puter, and the exterior will also be professionally repainted.

Ultimately I know its gonna end up costing me A LOT-- lol probably be one of the most expensive preludes ever when its done. But its about the learning experience and having something exactly how I want it when its all done. While I don't have all the money right now up front. I make good money, my job is secure and I'm sure I'll be able to complete it financially. Time will probably be my hardest obstacle. I wanna get it done before I have kids some day at least! lol Its not an investment or something I ever plan on being able to even recoup any money on. If I can help it, it will probably be with me till the day I die. 50 years+++ from now.
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ummm i didn't read it all because im supposed to be studying for a test, but whats with the large font size?
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ummm i didn't read it all because im supposed to be studying for a test, but whats with the large font size?
just figure its easier to read.

i kinda forgot that not everyone has a really high resolution. my monitor at my office is 1440x900 and the standard size is small and kinda hard to read. figured i was helping everyone out.

If mods want I could easily fix it back to standard size.
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cliff notes cliff notes cliff notes!!! i read most of it and understanding where your coming from.

1) LOL i just have to say this, reading your post then going to R8GGY post...complete difference i thought my eyes were playing tricks.

2) from my knowledge dont take me as 100% on this but..H22's aren't really boost friendly unless you build it up and lower the compression. Stock exhaust is fine, if not get a WS2, very quiet but when you want it it will be loud.
If your going N/A your going to need $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
I also don't think there's any superchargers for 4th gens without custom work.

3) Nice Audio/DVD? Do you want to spend $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ lol, or are you on a 1000 budget?.
If you want something to look nice and function well. I myself love the Pioneer Avic D4 A4 one of those 4's lol, they go for 800 - 1000 in stores, ebay sells them for 350 shipped. there the lower class model but you can upgrade them etc..they come with bluetooth, navigation,xm satalite radio tuners (some) but thats extra dough.

4)In my opinion i would find a friend to help you out with this, just to double check your work. I understand PZ is here, but not 99% of the time no one is going to have an immediate post waiting for you. So its easier to have someone there hands on to help you out.

GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

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just figure its easier to read.

i kinda forgot that not everyone has a really high resolution. my monitor at my office is 1440x900 and the standard size is small and kinda hard to read. figured i was helping everyone out.

If mods want I could easily fix it back to standard size.
im on 1920x1200 and it still is a big difference :ciao: lol

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cliff notes cliff notes cliff notes!!! i read most of it and understanding where your coming from.

1) LOL i just have to say this, reading your post then going to R8GGY post...complete difference i thought my eyes were playing tricks.

2) from my knowledge dont take me as 100% on this but..H22's aren't really boost friendly unless you build it up and lower the compression. Stock exhaust is fine, if not get a WS2, very quiet but when you want it it will be loud.
If your going N/A your going to need $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
I also don't think there's any superchargers for 4th gens without custom work.

3) Nice Audio/DVD? Do you want to spend $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ lol, or are you on a 1000 budget?.
If you want something to look nice and function well. I myself love the Pioneer Avic D4 A4 one of those 4's lol, they go for 800 - 1000 in stores, ebay sells them for 350 shipped. there the lower class model but you can upgrade them etc..they come with bluetooth, navigation,xm satalite radio tuners (some) but thats extra dough.

4)In my opinion i would find a friend to help you out with this, just to double check your work. I understand PZ is here, but not 99% of the time no one is going to have an immediate post waiting for you. So its easier to have someone there hands on to help you out.

GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks boss. I'll be handling this situation the same way I did my 5 lug swap. **** loads of questions and research before actually getting started.

I've been reading like crazy on honda-tech and will continue to do so. While i love this forum and you guys are great the responses aren't as quick as on there so I'll be bouncing back and forth.

I just know you guys wll appreciate my work and write ups a lot more.

As far as the stereo. its already got a pretty sick system and a nice dual din JVC unit (i didn't care for navigation because I've got a portable tom tom) but that will probably get ripped out in favor of a carputer.

With the prelude going to be out of commission for a while, I might quite possibly look into getting a 99-2004 Acura RL to use as a DD. At which time i'll rip the stereo out and put it in the RL while i build my carputer for the prelude.

Believe me what I'm tlaking about here I know will not be cheap. but thats why its not going to happen over night either.

I'm 24, own my own home, got two cars, good job, no real debt other than one student loan and my mortgage. It'll be a slow build no doubt but i want to document it all right here.



Sorry again about the font size guys, I thought I was helping you all out making it easier on the eyes to read.



Anyone have any insight or answers to my questions about the tools and stuff?
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dude my opinion dont buy a DD, i thought that wat the lude was for, for the s2k.

in my opinion if you buy another DD you'll never drive your S, or your lude, b/c your going to miss the power and RWD of the S, then slowly lose interest on the lude. Idk, thats my guess, if i were you, i believe your in florida right? i dont remember correctly, but i believe gas is still cheap down there compared to up here its going up again :sad:, but use your S when you start ripping your lude apart where its no longer driveable. thats just my opinion, it will get you motivated to finish your lude since you dont want to put that much mileage on the S and plus you dont have to worry about another car payment and more money for the lude
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hey starbai, just to get an idea, how much money do u want to spend on ur lude, u must have a budget in mind otherwise we will be going around in circles,

The budget will determine what mods you will be able to make and how much power you will be able to squeeze out of ur car along with the sound install and bodywork / stance etc
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hey starbai, just to get an idea, how much money do u want to spend on ur lude, u must have a budget in mind otherwise we will be going around in circles,

The budget will determine what mods you will be able to make and how much power you will be able to squeeze out of ur car along with the sound install and bodywork / stance etc
Sky's the limit. for everything from start to finish i'd say 25k? including all powertrain work, completely covering every surface the eye can see in the interior, and al the stereo worK i want to do ( car puter etc...) that would include paint but i think i may be able to get it done for free (minus supplies and renting a booth)



I have a questsion. I ran across this llocal ad for a used H22a. would this be something I should consider vs. 2k plus on hmotorsponline for the h22?

I ask because I plan on having it fully built (either by me or someoen else) for turbo.

What should i be concerned with in terms of using this as a starting point to end up with a reliable turbo ready motor? what questions should i ask the guy when i contact him? what do you think I should offer him?

heres the ad:

As the title states, I"m parting out my 97 H22A motor.
The engine had about 61,000 mile on it when removed.

The head is complete and in great shape.

Cyl 3 needs to be cut or sleeved.

Pistons, rings, crank are all in great shape.

Comes with everything in the pictures.

Call me if you have any questions.

Asking $550.00 or Best Offer for the whole thing.

If I'm unable to pick-up, please leave me a message.




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dude my opinion dont buy a DD, i thought that wat the lude was for, for the s2k.

in my opinion if you buy another DD you'll never drive your S, or your lude, b/c your going to miss the power and RWD of the S, then slowly lose interest on the lude. Idk, thats my guess, if i were you, i believe your in florida right? i dont remember correctly, but i believe gas is still cheap down there compared to up here its going up again :sad:, but use your S when you start ripping your lude apart where its no longer driveable. thats just my opinion, it will get you motivated to finish your lude since you dont want to put that much mileage on the S and plus you dont have to worry about another car payment and more money for the lude
The lude was for a DD until it died at which point it was supposed to serve as my 'project' which i would use to learn all the mechanical/electrical/body/interior (fiberglass) skills i could ever want to learn.

While I hope to get the prelude back on the road by the end of the year once its started in the summer, chances are thats probably not going to happen and i'll be ok with that.

The S is great, but i go on long weekend trips all the time, and i dont like driving it 3+ hours, its crammped no space for anything over a weekend's worth of luggage etc...

I dont know what my plans for a DD are but i've been leaning towards an SUV of some sort, such as an MDX or new Pilot to use to haul my **** when working on the car (gotta have something big enough to carry my parts and motor lol) as well as have something comfortable to go out in. Once again leaving the S as a weekend beach toy.

Either way, that decision is at least 4 - 5 months away.

for right now i've just been spending my time reading as much as I can. esp on honda tech, and i bought about 10 books covering all different aspects of what i'm trying to acomplish. so i figure a few months of research and start diving in sometime around the beginning of july...
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anyone got any opinions on the motor?
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i think you can get that price on a engine in better shape. the ad notes that cly 3 needs to be cut or sleeved. it would be bad if you built the thing up then it became terminal because of that fault.
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