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Old 01-26-2009, 01:25 PM
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Questions about headers

So i just had a quick question about headers, i think im going to get some, what would be the best brand to go with, and can i install myself? Would i also need a high flow cat, and i have exhaust already, 2.5" piping from cat to two 10" glasspacks
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Re: Questions about headers

yes you can install it yourself if you can get the bolts undone. Its not hard, and should only take about an hour, but it could take longer.
If you have an H22.... here you go
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1437360

if u have an h23, bisi makes headers for them, and megan does as well...
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So would these be decent? http://www.raceinspired.com/ps-8905-...1992-1996.aspx what kinda of gain would i prolly get. and test pipes are illegal right lol?
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Re: Questions about headers

those would be fine. Do you have an H23? Go thru the check out process, and see how much they are with shipping. Then check Ebay.
Yes test pipes are illegal especially if you live in an emissions state. A test pipe will change the sound of your exhaust, and its been proven that a catalytic converter only slightly restricts the exhaust, unless its clogged.

I wouldn't expect a huge HP/TQ gain, but maybe 5 if you're lucky. U'll probably feel more than what it actually is.
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so with headers and a test pipe what kind of gain would i be looking at, is this cost effient far as hp gains?

and ya i have a h23
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Re: Questions about headers

well its a start..never expect too much gains from bolt ons but before getting into the hardcore stuff its always good to do the intake, header and exhaust first, i wouldnt be surprised if you dont get any gains at all.. but at least you can rest assured that ur engine is bhreathing properly and your car will sound nice and meaty.

when you get a combination of bolt ons then you will start to notice an increase in power but one bolt on alone isnt really going to do much. its prolly not cost efficient but like i said its a start..generally people tend to think that their cars will become hotrods over night but the harsh reality is you have to spend quite a bit of money before you get a noticeable increase in power and torque.
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hmm well damn, what should i be looking at then
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hmm well damn, what should i be looking at then
i think your completly misunderstanding my point. get the header, its the starting point of any future modding that you may be looking into..if your looking for figures and being realistic about it i would say that with just a header you will get a 1-4 hp gain and thats it, dont expect any more than that otherwise your just gonna end up feeling like you have been ripped off
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Re: Questions about headers

no i understood that, but i dont add stuff that often so when i do i like to feel it, but i might just get that and a high flow cat, how hard is it to install those headers my self, what all would i need?
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no i understood that, but i dont add stuff that often so when i do i like to feel it, but i might just get that and a high flow cat, how hard is it to install those headers my self, what all would i need?
to be honest its not hard at all.. you just need to be careful when undoing the header bolts as they are the most common bolts to snap, due to the amount of contraction / expansion under heat the header produces and then cools when the car gets cold they tend to get brittle. i think there is a write up somewhere on this forum.

you will need the tools that your gonna use to take the header off and a header gasket
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alright cool i apreciate it, think i will find these headers at a better price than i linked with shipping it totalled at 183$
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alright cool i apreciate it, think i will find these headers at a better price than i linked
if you want an awesome header that will give good gains then try looking into the brand named headers rather than ebay headers
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Intake/Header/Exhaust is the big 3 first mods. Your heading in the right direction ...

Look for a good header, you can go with an aftermarket high flow cat, and then you can use the exhaust thats already on your car.

After that you start getting into more expensive stuff, and a lot of things that don't just bolt directly up. If I was you, I wouldn't waste time on small mods, I'd save up for big things. I would lean towards cams and a tune. Also take a look in the DIY section. I'm sure there are a few horsepower saving mods in there that wont cost you a lot.

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no i understood that, but i dont add stuff that often so when i do i like to feel it, but i might just get that and a high flow cat, how hard is it to install those headers my self, what all would i need?
If your going to do it yourself, be prepared to get some torn up hands, a lot of cursing, and a lot of beer consumption. there are I believe 8 nuts. soak them in PB-Blaster. Its like WD-40 but better. I'll look for the thread of the guy that did his own exhaust. I forget what the hell his name was tho.
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So i just had a quick question about headers" glasspacks
Headers is used when there is 2 exhaust manifolds, unfortunally you have a header, also i see alot of people buy things trying to raise there preformance with a N/A car. If your going for your car to have a better sound id say do for it. I saw in a great magazine they did a test on a intake and exhaust. the test was done on a s2k (as much engineering went in to f22 as probly the h22 motor so IMO its a great compasion)
they did a intake and he got like 6hp, they installed a exhaust and he got a whopping .2 hp!!!!!!!!!!!

Of you want power look at the compression and make sure every thign is still at top knotch (bigest loss of power that alot of people over look IMO) and save that money form intake headers exhaust for a tune. Also the biger the exhaust piping you have the more loss of low end power. At higher rpms you want less back pressure.
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i watched a top gear episode a few months ago and they were trying to squeeze power out of a car.. they tried everything and finally they decided to pull the injectors and clean them up and replaced the injector rings..by doing that if i can remember correctly they made about 15hp..just goes to show..if you maintain your car well you can free up lost hp
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Of you want power look at the compression and make sure every thign is still at top knotch
Agreed 100% ^^^^. Do a compression test on your car, see what numbers your pulling. I forget what the range is for PSI in each cylinder, but I'll look it up real fast and get back to you. I'll just edit this post.

Also, if your car is your daily driver, than you have to keep in mind the down time of your mods. Which is why I recommended the cams + tune. If you have the money and another car to drive, save for a turbo build, or you can look into JRSC's. A buddy of mine had a 5g stock with a JRSC and it was fine for the 30k miles that he drove it till he hit a tree
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Re: Questions about headers

compression variance is 10%

If you don't plan on getting your car tuned and all that...or if you're gonna go turbo, then the cheap header will suffice, and it'll be ok for now.

I've got my $120 worth out of the cheap no name header I got off ebay
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Re: Questions about headers

there is a certain bracket of PSI that an h22, f22, and h23 each have to be in. I can't remember where I saw it.
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well my service manual says at least 185 psi for the h23 and h22 with no more than 10% variance. Last time I checked my compression on my h22a, it was between 218-226psi in each cylinder.
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if you want an awesome header that will give good gains then try looking into the brand named headers rather than ebay headers
Be more specific on what brands...

DC, OBX, Megan, Ebay, etc. are all the exact same design but varying prices.
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h22 header

For h23's the only one's i know of are BisiMoto and Megan, and possibly DC (which i'd never buy)
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get headers..mass airflow sensor, racing pullys, intake and exuast..then to the fuel part..then later down the road, turbo it
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except.... our cars don't have MAF sensors, haha.
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put one in there haha..nevermind..what i ment was throttle body..idk why i was thinking that
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Yeah I would get spark plugs, wires, that header (unless u want want 2 spend some some $), intake, and u've already got an exhaust.
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Here is everything you need to know... just scroll down a bit. Even exhaust clips and stuff...

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hmm well damn, what should i be looking at then
honestly its not ALL about making your car a rocket! i love buy parts for my car that dont have any power adders...like my struts suspension and tires....i love the strut in my engine it just LOOKS awesome and just have FUNN putting things in your car....its like an ART....just open up a hood and looking at a few upgrades. (just my thought i wanted to get out there)
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Re: Questions about headers

this thread is full of terrible advice.
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