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Old 01-21-2009, 09:23 PM
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h buildin

well the time has finnaly come cleared out enough cars from the garage to get ready for the grand feat.
gotta disasembel the lude motor to finnaly get these skunk 2 parts inside.
project begins saturday and all im missing is pistions and rods-rings-why?
that is also my question......
set aside the point that my motor stripped a timing belt at a mere 1200rpm's but ehh

What is going to be the chance i can pop the same pistions back in with new rings and no machine work to the block and still produce oem compression?

cant really hone these cilinders because there coated WITH PAM
cant bore either so why in the hell would honda do this unles they A didnt want people driving the preludes fore ever (what car company does tho)
or B the cilinders and there pam coating retain some magical proptery that says i should be able to save quite a few hundred bucks and not re-sleeve?
its a good investment but thats gona cut out of the stripper fund :(

as many H blocks as ive seen blown open though.....i am gona at least need acme rods.
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Re: h buildin

made some solid progress over the weekend tore down to the block and yanked the pistons out it looks like a winner very very minimal cilinder wear should retain pretty much all compression with just some new rings.
so the head will go off to the machine shop this week and well get the skunk 2 internals installed easy squeezy lemon peezy...........

then well be popin tek skunk 2 style
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Re: h buildin

Are you building for boost or N/a?
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Re: h buildin

just natural these motors are to expensive to go all out with.
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Re: h buildin

you can hone FRM you just hafta find a shop capable of doing it. the way you check your cyl walls to see if they need a fresh hone is to run your fingernail across the surface and if any seems catch the nail then you should prolly get it honed. if not then just slap some new rings in and go. FRM stays rough enough where it will seat new pistons rings without needing a new hone.
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Old 01-28-2009, 09:09 PM
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Re: h buildin

thank you sir you answered the question i asked like 5 threads ago

i took some pics of the cilinders on my digi here and then soon realized i could not find the cord that conects the cam to the pc
there is a few visiable ........smooth do i say, scratches but i cant feel them only see them
im gona go run my finger nails up and down my cilinder walls just to make tripple shure!

shouldent a honda dealer be able to hone these cilinders then?
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thank you sir you answered the question i asked like 5 threads ago

i took some pics of the cilinders on my digi here and then soon realized i could not find the cord that conects the cam to the pc
there is a few visiable ........smooth do i say, scratches but i cant feel them only see them
im gona go run my finger nails up and down my cilinder walls just to make tripple shure!

shouldent a honda dealer be able to hone these cilinders then?
don't hold your breath. that's like assuming the numbnuts at pepboys can sell you the proper motor oil
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Re: h buildin

ok i can feel one of the scratches but only if i try real hard
maybe its all in my head but im pretty shure i did.
in any event its so low in the cilinder, when that pistion is moving upward i doubt it would see 5 lbs of compresion squeeze through it plus the lil oiler points like almost directly at it.


i am not worried....
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Re: h buildin

then put that pig back together!
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Re: h buildin

thats the plan brother, just waiting on the BEST possible price for some rods.

i do have a few more questions though....

#1 a friend told me something about "if you want to run a bottle your either supposed to loosen a tiny bit or over torque a tiny bit the bearings all around"

kinda planing on it already buying parts here and there....

#2 for the skunk 2 cams i have i did not recive ANYTHING specifying vlalve clearence adjustments measuremints NADA

i am going to assume just use oem spec......

#3 jdm h22a vs usdm h22a1 head.
i have one of each and have not sent them to get dipped and leaked down, because i was curious if 1 is better than the other.....

#4 any other little tricks or adjustments i can do now that i got it stripped down to the block.....without removing the block from the tranny and the miles of hoses and harnesses i wana drive this car again already!!!!

#5 ive got the skunk 2 pro series adjustable cam gears anyone know where i can set them pupys at EXACTLY to get some more power through until i can have it all dyno tuned.....

#6 and most important
a viedo needs to be made
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Re: h buildin

well i droped the head and pistions off at the machine shop a lil while ago to gtet cleaned up and trued.....

ordered the rings from honda yesterday (fyi $46 a piston for the set of 3)
ive got just about every single thing i need togther to build this motor up except for someunder drive pulleys and some stronger rods for personal piece of mind inshurance pourposes.

i have one last question

hi volume oil pump......
is it worth the money.
will tek pop harder....
how hard is it to instal.....from what i thought i saw its just right there at the bottom of the timing case area.
i do not want to remove the block from the tranny and engine bay therefore making this mini build even easier......

do i have to take out that huge block oil gulley thing right under the crank to get the oil pump changed.

my last question is kind of a left field ?
has anyone ever twisted or demolished the rod main bearkings....... reason i ask is
i have a full bearing set for the bottom end but again the rod main bearings are fine i should replacethem i know but these motors are a pain to disasemble espically the way im trying to do this.
new rod bearings and cam bearings will be instaled due to the excessive wear they see in there lifetime.

im not planing on bumping the comp ratio after all....maybe some bottle feeding much later down the line......
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Re: h buildin

Stock oil pump is fine.

You don't want VTEC to kick in "hard". It's supposed to actually be a smooth transition.
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Re: h buildin

ok if stock is fine than i at least want to replace mine with a NEW one....you dont think a higher volume oil pump would help protect a half decent build, or does the stock oil pump just work that good.

any idea on instalation.... i should just go take a look.....
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Re: h buildin

I can't think of anybody who is running the high volume pump, even the guys with very technical builds. There's some things that are best to stay OEM. A new one certainly won't hurt you.
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Re: h buildin

went to go pay for the scrubbing of the head yesterday at the machine shop and bring in the valves to get the seats resurfaced and see if anything else was needed. the followers look good enough to slap new cams in the dude said but then we began to discuss the block.

this guy is a very reputable out here but hes kind of a old v8 guy.
all the tuner consultants had already eleft for the day.

dude said no weve built h22's before where we slap in any hi comp pistion and rod after a good hone or a bore and hone weve built alot of them.
he didnt seem to think what the cilinders were coated with was a lie or invalid but didnt seem to want to stop and take that fact into account.
this all forecame when i explaned to him what i was trying to do, re use the stock pistions just clean them up a bit and throw on some eagle rods or what ever for inshurance pourposes.

he then stoped me again and stated no aftermarket rod is going to mount to the stock pistion.....he then lost me when he started saying something about a bushing mount vs a free floater and then said if they pound the retainter that holds the pistion and rod togther out its like gauntreed there going to crack at least 1 pistion skirt.

again i do say this guy i spoke to is old and very skilled at what he does but hes a old v8 pushrod kinda guy.

a pistion is a pistion tho.

can anyone help me out here......

can any aftermarket rods be ploped onto oem pistions?

has anyone just droped new rings on old pistions and ploped them right back into the block without honing and ended up fine?

can the material be honed easily witout some magical hone brush

is it all lies and can u just plop in what ever pistion you want and not destroy the coating?
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