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SHOW is done, time for GO......h22 questions...

SHOW is done, time for GO......h22 questions...

ok i know theres a million h22 threads floating around but i couldnt find anything when i just typed in "h22" in the search field......ima noob to the honda motor scene so i jus got some basic questions that i was just looking to get answered....

1. h22 swaps directly into a 4th gen, correct?

2. can i use the stock 5spd tranny or do i need to upgrade, or SHOULD i upgrade...if so, which is recommended?

3. what else will i need? i see a bunch on ebay sellin for about 1k.....most say they include everything like "COMPLETE ENGINE,AUTO TRANSMISSION, DOWN PIPE, MOUNT, ALTERNATOR, A/C COMPRESSOR, POWER STEERING PUMP, INTAKE MANIFOLD, THROTTLE BODY, INJECTORS, SPARK PLUGS, DISTRIBUTOR"....what other costs am i going to need to factor in besides the motor/components that are included + cost of labor swap?

im sure im going to have a lot more questions down the road...but these are the basics that i wanna start with so i know how much im gunna be spendin....
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ok i know theres a million h22 threads floating around but i couldnt find anything when i just typed in "h22" in the search field......ima noob to the honda motor scene so i jus got some basic questions that i was just looking to get answered....
This is because there are so many 3 letter/charactor words on the board that the search cannot look through them all. If you need another example of what I mean, google "the" and see what comes up.



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1. h22 swaps directly into a 4th gen, correct?
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2. can i use the stock 5spd tranny or do i need to upgrade, or SHOULD i upgrade...if so, which is recommended?
What have you got, and what are your goals for the car? The H22 trans has different ratios than the H23, which are different from the F22. All have thier pros and cons, and all bolt up to H22.


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3. what else will i need? i see a bunch on ebay sellin for about 1k.....most say they include everything like "COMPLETE ENGINE,AUTO TRANSMISSION, DOWN PIPE, MOUNT, ALTERNATOR, A/C COMPRESSOR, POWER STEERING PUMP, INTAKE MANIFOLD, THROTTLE BODY, INJECTORS, SPARK PLUGS, DISTRIBUTOR"....what other costs am i going to need to factor in besides the motor/components that are included + cost of labor swap?
Depends on how detailed you want it done. Personally I would also reccommend upgrading to at a minimum the VTEC model brakes, and it's also good to have a few of the upper spec tricks inside, like the EL dash.

If you're also swapping from auto->manual you'll need the peddle box, shifter, etc as well.

Also, are you set on H22? When a mate of mine decided he was going to drop a H22 into his H23 4g he found that for a similar cost he could boost it, and make more power. Have you considered that?

Either way, be prepared is the best advice I can give you. Because while it comes across as a straight forward swap, in the end it is anything but. There are a few threads on here about it, maybe h22 swap might work better in the search field.
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2. can i use the stock 5spd tranny or do i need to upgrade, or SHOULD i upgrade...if so, which is recommended?
Well brash for the most part answered all the questions but I'd like to go a little bit more in depth with this one.

The gearing on your F22 transmission will be too long of gearing for you to stay in VTEC. IIRC I think the h23 transmission works perfectly fine though.

If your upgrading to a newer motor, why not just get the trans as well. plus with the shorter gearing of an h22 or h23 trans your acceleration will be better than the f22. Just expect less MPG on highway driving. Its not much, but its still a difference
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Re: SHOW is done, time for GO......h22 questions...

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SHOW is done, time for GO......h22 questions...

ok i know theres a million h22 threads floating around but i couldnt find anything when i just typed in "h22" in the search field......ima noob to the honda motor scene so i jus got some basic questions that i was just looking to get answered....

1. h22 swaps directly into a 4th gen, correct?

2. can i use the stock 5spd tranny or do i need to upgrade, or SHOULD i upgrade...if so, which is recommended?

3. what else will i need? i see a bunch on ebay sellin for about 1k.....most say they include everything like "COMPLETE ENGINE,AUTO TRANSMISSION, DOWN PIPE, MOUNT, ALTERNATOR, A/C COMPRESSOR, POWER STEERING PUMP, INTAKE MANIFOLD, THROTTLE BODY, INJECTORS, SPARK PLUGS, DISTRIBUTOR"....what other costs am i going to need to factor in besides the motor/components that are included + cost of labor swap?

im sure im going to have a lot more questions down the road...but these are the basics that i wanna start with so i know how much im gunna be spendin....
1. Yes, they do. Depending on whether it's jdm or usdm/obd1 or obd2, there are a few things you'll need to swap.

2. Any F/H tranny will fit. Depends on what your ultimate goal is.

3. Depends on your ultimate set-up, again.

What is your goal as far as power goes?

What set-up do you want, i.e. turbo, all motor, or just plain and simple swap? Are you going to daily drive it, straight show-car, weekend warrior?

What is your budget?

We'll be able to help you more specifically by knowing these things...

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Re: SHOW is done, time for GO......h22 questions...

thanks for the replies guys...

well i have a shtty f22 in there right now so i dont wanna bother boostin such a weak motor....i was plannin on boostin the h22 later on down the road.....

and so i guess my question about the tranny is answered....might as well just swap to h23 or h22 tranny right?...so ill have to start lookin into that as well....

as for the straightforward swap.......so it isnt as straightforward as it seems?...i dont wanna run into a buncha lil annoying problems esp when the money tight and im just squeezin it out to get this motor....im impatient as hell lol........do the majority of ppl run into major problems? minor problems?.... ....or most of the problems from the person not performing the swap correctly?
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^sonson, you can do alot of trick dangs to our f22 motors. dont trash it, its an ok 4 banger.
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Another thing you want to do it change all the seals gaskets and belts. Its just easier
while its outta the car. And down the road they won't (shouldn't) fail on you. Dont forgot
the oil cooler o ring. water pump, valve cover gasket, main seal etc. I did the head
gasket on mine for added protection. I just wanted to get it all done, instead of having
to go back and redo it. And i think the S model isnt prewired for vtec, so you may have
some small wiring to do. You'll need an ecu. If you just want to get it going just get p13. if you plan on a good tune you may want to get a more suitable ecu for tuning. Just do some extra research, DL the 4th gen manual, and don't get the first engine you see.

edit* Some things i ran into is the conversion from obd2 to 1. Its hell, i had to deal with the knock sensor relocation for the harness, and the dizzy which is that last thing in need. But for the most part its pretty straight forward. Also lable all screws and what not, it will help down the road. And please clean the engine bay.

This link will help a little

http://www.preludepower.com/forums/s...d.php?t=301612
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the swap itself is kind of difficult if you dont know what you are doing and you dont know what problems you will run into and if you just save money then you can put a built h22 into your car which will make it way better to boost because then it is reinforced so you can dial up the boost in the car it will be easier to reinforce the engine out of the car then if it is in just a suggestion
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Re: SHOW is done, time for GO......h22 questions...

The things you'll run into aren't that difficult. If you just want an h22 and be done with it, then go with the jdm h22a obd1. You'll have to swap the distributor for an external distributor, swap fuel rails/fpr, and I would stick with using your f22 crank pulley along with all your accessories like the a/c, p/s, and alternator. You might have to trim the power steering bracket to make it fit. I believe the two crank pulleys have different number of ribs b/n the f22 and h22. I know the h23 and h22 are different.

Like si96lude said, you'll want to replace waterpump, cam seals, main seal (oil pump), the cam seal on the distributor side, plugs, wires, oil pan gasket, timing belt, balancer shaft belt, valve cover gasket, and I went ahead and replaced the spark plug gaskets. If you're engine doesn't come with a header, you'll need to get one of those. You'll also need to wire vtec which isn't too hard. I believe the mounts should work with that engine, I know the h23 mounts work. Oh yeah, more than likely your tps will be broken from it being shipped, so you can just use the one off of your other engine. The thing to watch out for is to make sure you get your vacuum lines and wire harness right. There's a vacuum diagram in the service manual. You'll also need a p13 ecu. I went ahead and purchased a jdm p13 because supposedly it doesn't have a speed governor or something like that, but I don't know how true that is. And, almost forgot...the thing with the jdm engine I received had a different kind of vtec solenoid. You'll need the usdm (i believe) vtec solenoid. To be honest, I can't remember exactly what it was, I just know that there were only two plugs instead of what needed to be three.

There are a bunch of websites that sell engines. hmotorsonline is note worthy, but they are usually a tad expensive. I got mine off of ebay from engines'r'us or something like that. They looked legit, and I talked to the guy several times and asked him several questions, and he seemed genuine. The engine was in really good shape, and only had the tps broken. It was 1100 bucks including shipping. And I haven't had any problems since.

For the tranny, go ahead and get an h22 tranny, if you go all motor. But some people say if you are going to boost the h23 tranny is better. I really haven't researched it that much so you got that research to do. However, if you do want to boost it eventually, the thing is the more miles you put on that h22 between the time you install and the time you boost it, it's just that much more wear and tear on the engine...creating a less reliable building block for a good strong engine. Inless, you plan on tearing the whole thing apart and going forged everything and sleeves and what not. Take it from a guy who was impatient...it's worth the wait to get all your parts together and then do your build.

If you can, do the swap yourself, it's not that hard if you have a friend that's done one or if you got a friend that's mechanically inclined and good with hondas. That way you know that everything was done right. Well, that's my novel of advice. I probably forgot about something, but just ask away your further questions.

Here's a good link to read: H22 Build-Up Information

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+1 Buddy. I'm sure that helped him a lot.

And yes hersh, look to get the h22 engine/trans at the same time. you'll pay less for the package deal then if you buy them separate. I'd invest in a LSD while everything is out also. A lot of times you can get JDM motors shipped with everything you need to get it runnin, plus shiit like a LSD.
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thanks guys....so ill try to get it all together...ill hafta do research on what tranny to go with if im gunna boost it.....and i guess i should be patient and build it first before putting it in so ill take my time like i originally planned to.....i was aiming for april for the swap but then couldnt hold out lol.....esp cuz i have a $200 exhaust leak to fix thatll just go to waste once i get the new motor (header/downpipe/cat replacement)......so for now i guess ill get that leak fixed so it doesnt sound like sht till then....and i guess i should pay off some credit card bills until then :( lol.... more time for research at least
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