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h23 tranny question

i have a h23 with a 5 spd will the 5 spd tranny fit on a h22 a4
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Re: h23 tranny question

yes it will, it might fall out of vtec when you shift...gears are taller than the h22 tranny.

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Re: h23 tranny question

but if i get a vtec controller then i wont fall out if i set it right .. taller means more mph per shift so less shifting or less mph per shift and more shifting???


another thing which tranny is better over all for drag racing...


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Re: h23 tranny question

the h23 has taller(longer) gearing than the h22 transmissions. This will mean less shifting as you will spend more time in every gear. Obviously, the longer the gears are the less your able to accelerate as quickly. Thats bad for drag racing. The h22 tranny is much better for drag racing.
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for the vafc you would have to set vtec lower. But yeah, h22 tranny (with lsd preferably) is better for an n/a h22. If you go turbo then some people might recommend the h23 tranny.
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but if i get a vtec controller then i wont fall out if i set it right .. taller means more mph per shift so less shifting or less mph per shift and more shifting???


another thing which tranny is better over all for drag racing...


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It has to do with ur setup and what ur doing. An h23 or accord tranny is better for boost and drag if ur running alot of power. An H22 tranny is better for time attack because ur getting ALOT of acceleration per gear
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It has to do with ur setup and what ur doing. An h23 or accord tranny is better for boost and drag if ur running alot of power. An H22 tranny is better for time attack because ur getting ALOT of acceleration per gear


How is a h23 or accord(f22/f23) tranny better for boost?

I can see you reccomending a h23 transmission to a guy pushing above 600whp to help him retain traction a little better, but its still going to cause the car to accelerate slower. For any form of racing, the shorter gearing is better to maximize acceleration. Traction problems can always be solved.
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Re: h23 tranny question

in the accord (f22) tranny, you in boost for longer so that might have something to do with it. you also get better mpg and a higher top speed
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Re: h23 tranny question

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How is a h23 or accord(f22/f23) tranny better for boost?

I can see you reccomending a h23 transmission to a guy pushing above 600whp to help him retain traction a little better, but its still going to cause the car to accelerate slower. For any form of racing, the shorter gearing is better to maximize acceleration. Traction problems can always be solved.
Its about shifting. U want to stay in boost longer and also with shorter gears u have to shift more. That means lower top speed, and the average racer loses about .250 seconds of power loss when shifting, which means a slower time. If that was the case then everyone in the world that races would have mad short gears....

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Obviously, the longer the gears are the less your able to accelerate as quickly. Thats bad for drag racing. The h22 tranny is much better for drag racing.
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sry but shorter gears gets you down the track faster i dont care what you say. tell me why ppl change the rear end in a car then??? to shorten the gears to get through them faster...either you have no clue about drag racing or are just being hard headed

also where do you get .25 seconds of power... what study have you done....

its simple shorter gears get you goin faster....but hurt you top speed... longer gears hurt you acceleration but but help you to have a nice high top speed.
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sry but shorter gears gets you down the track faster i dont care what you say....either you have no clue about drag racing or are just being hard headed
You are confusing shorter "gears" with shorter "gearing" .Shorter gears do not get u down the track faster. IDC what U say i practicly live at english town and u can ask any true dragracer longer gears = less shifting. Less shifting = more length of power. H23 vs. H22 isnt a dramatic difference. Its not like the h23 gears are so heavy and slow, they're just longer.
Why do drag racers put less gears on cars. Sum have 3 or 4. Time attack theres more, normally 6. Hmmm, there MUST be a reason for that....
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ok well i will put my car up for bets that if you take a stock h22 that puts out say 190hp. i garantee you that the car with an h22 tranny will beat the brakes off of any h22 with a f series tranny. prove me wrong and you can have my car
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ok well i will put my car up for bets that if you take a stock h22 that puts out say 190hp. i garantee you that the car with an h22 tranny will beat the brakes off of any h22 with a f series tranny. prove me wrong and you can have my car
Deal, and how about i choose the H23 tranny because thats what im talking about 1st off. Second off i think u need to take sum time and learn the difference between gears and gearing. Then come back to be and THEN ill race u. Because either way when i win u still wont be educated on how it works. Oh and BTW ull get off the line faster then me...for about a second.... until u start shifting away.
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ok the difference between gears and gearing

gears: the actualy part that spins inside of a tranny
gearing: the ratio of how many time the engine spins relative to the tranny
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ok the difference between gears and gearing

gears: the actualy part that spins inside of a tranny
gearing: the ratio of how many time the engine spins relative to the tranny
gooood, now the next step is learning how shorter gears arent always for everything just because they give u a little more acceleration off the line.
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i bet you are the only one on here that really thinks and h22 with and h23 tranny is faster than a h22 with a h22 tranny on it...

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i bet you are the only one on here that really thinks and h22 with and h23 tranny is faster than a h22 with a h22 tranny on it...

sorry but im goin to have to do this....EPIC FAIL
Lol, yea, maybe N/A no one does longer gears on an N/A car. Go into a dragracing forum and post up saying shorter geared trannys are better for drag and see how flammed u get. EPIC FAIL!!!!
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Lol, yea, maybe N/A no one does longer gears on an N/A car.
well now you are contradicting yourself...you said the longer gear is better. the principle is EXACTLY the same for a 200hp motor as a 400hp motor... if using longer gears was better i think lilbluelude would be using it since im pretty sure he is makin the some of most power and has one of the fastest. maybe he likes his slower time with an h22 tranny

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Im sorry... I was hoping you would see the error of your ways and maybe just silence yourself. Sadly, its become blatantly obvious your an incompotent guy who intends to run his mouth to the end.

First off, I do drag race. I am a member of several forums (which have drag sections) and actually drag in the SFWD class. Yes, I own a 10 second 1/4 mile prelude... And, Ive worked on and driven more stupid fast cars than you probably have seen going down the road. I would happen to know what Im talking about better than some kid who sells TV's at Best Buy and has seen a video with fast cars... I'll be sure to ask your advice if I decide to ever start paintballing, but until then dont bother me.

Next, I would love to see you back up your argument with a thread anywhere about any type of racing where the intention isnt to stay in your powerband and use it wisely. Thus, gearing is important and crucial anywhere. The only reason to use longer gearing is to help mantain traction or avoid shifting out of your powerband. Thats not going to be a problem in this case.

Lets ask ourselves why they make a H2B kit... It costs about $1500 to use a b series tranny with the H series block via this H2B kit. Well, theres a market for it. Why would anyone be wanting to use a B series tranny? Hmm.. Tough one.. Its either because they are stupid civic guys or they intend to run a shorter geared tranny for even better acceleration... Im not sure which it is, maybe you can tell me stealthy...


I didnt intend to come in here and tear you apart or make you look stupid. I was actually trying to help the OP and you opted to attack a simple post I made. This is thread two in a day you have tried to do that in. Take a break and wait until I do say something wrong or stupid before trying again. Thats why you are experiencing this backlash. You ready to tear apart your post?


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Lol, yea, maybe N/A no one does longer gears on an N/A car. EPIC FAIL!!!!

I didnt misquote this one or the other post you claimed I did. Who cares if I misplace a letter in your username. Its obvious your not important enough or respected enough for me to care. Doubt that will ever change too. Lets see... What are you trying to say here? Im not sure because it seems like your trying to attack someone with a horrible statement. I think your trying to state that "no one does longer gears on an N/A car." If thats what your saying, I agree with you and thats what we have been saying all along and you sound even more incompotent for everything else you said in this thread. Its the same thing you have argued us over and over again.

The simple concept here is. The motor is a h22. The powerband is from 5000+/- rpms to ~7600rpms. To stay in this powerband for any form of racing the h22 transmission which is designed for the H22 is better than the h23 or accord (as stated) transmissions. Its keeps you in VTEC between shifts (ie. your powerband) and helps you accelerate faster than a slightly longer geared h23 transmission ever will.
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thank you, i was waiting for you to put stealth in his place.
now mikey.... GIVE UP, and stop posting misinformation that is merely your opinion. as you can see, it leads to utter embarrassment when all you do is reiterate something you read somewhere else.


lilblue, i edited the only inappropriate comment in your post. other than that, it was a very good post!
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ok well i will put my car up for bets that if you take a stock h22 that puts out say 190hp. i garantee you that the car with an h22 tranny will beat the brakes off of any h22 with a f series tranny. prove me wrong and you can have my car
he is right, my buddy got a h22 swap in his cb7 and kept the f series tranny on it. we raced from like a 20 roll and i pulled him pretty hard considering how much lighter his car is than mine, it was pretty sad. afterwards he was like dam i shoulda went with the h22 tranny.
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undersrtarmor, I did the h22(a) swap in my 93 prelude si. Because I didn't have the money I went ahead and reused my h23 tranny. It does fall out of vtec when shifting, which is a little annoying. What I would do is save up some money and invest in a sound m2b4 (jdm lsd h22 tranny), if you can find one.

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Re: h23 tranny question

nick, u have no clue about drag racing lol. Im not even gonna bother with u guys either. I wasted my posting time. Go ask sum guys at the accual tracks.
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damn i always thought automatic would be the fastest because you dont have to shift, its just one long gear right?
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Re: h23 tranny question

why is it so hard to simply say "i was wrong"?? are you too proud? stubborn? ignorant? any combination of the 3?

you have been proved wrong by multiple people with FACTS (not opinions ) and still can't accept the fact.


yep, you got me. i haven't been drag racing for 4 years now, at three different tracks. i also know nothing about nothing. thats why my final project for my Mech Design class is designing a power transmission. i would post it up for you to read specifically, but if you can't even comprehend gear ratio's, or something even as simple as admitting you were wrong, i highly doubt you'll have any idea what i'm talking about.
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nick, u have no clue about drag racing lol. Im not even gonna bother with u guys either. I wasted my posting time. Go ask sum guys at the accual tracks.
rofl... Hes right nick... You have no idea about anything.. And obviously I dont either...
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rofl... Hes right nick... You have no idea about anything.. And obviously I dont either...

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Re: h23 tranny question

I still think my stock f22a1 is faster than everyone's in this joint because i believe in my car. when in doubt you can always wish horsepower into your car.

and neck you gotta remember you are arguing with someone who rocks 18's on there prelude, arent those suppose to make our cars ligter and faster??
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undersrtarmor, I did the h22(a) swap in my 93 prelude si. Because I didn't have the money I went ahead and reused my h23 tranny. It does fall out of vtec when shifting, which is a little annoying. What I would do is save up some money and invest in a sound m2b4 (jdm lsd h22 tranny), if you can find one.

here is a good link to find info about transmissions:
http://hondaswap.com/reference-mater...n-specs-29132/

and here's a cool little calculator for final drive and top speed:
http://www.zealautowerks.com/transcalc.php


thanx man....
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