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New engine swap, no fuel or spark

hey everyone, sorry to make my first post, one begging for help but im completely stumped

i just bought a '92 si with a bad engine, i saw it start up and run enough for the previous owner to back it out of his drive way and then it died, never to be started again. so i got it back home and my buddy swapped in another h23 he had laying around. we got everything hooked back up and went to try and start it....and nothing didnt even crank, turns out we put the wires backwards on the starter, so we swapped that around and tried again, now it trys to crank over but theres absolutely no fuel getting to the fuel rail, and we have no spark. i tried resoldering my relay after doing some searching, and even tried my buddies relay...and still nothing. were completely stumped here, can anyone throw me some ideas on what to try?

some more background info is the doors auto lock themselves, my buddy thinks it may be a bad ground somewhere and the knock sensor was broken during the swap. ANY help would be very much appreicated
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Re: New engine swap, no fuel or spark

do you hear the fuel pump priming when the key is turned to III?
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Re: New engine swap, no fuel or spark

no i dont hear anything
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do you hear the fuel pump priming when the key is turned to III?
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Re: New engine swap, no fuel or spark

i dont hear anything when the key is turned except the engine trying to crank over, and my buddy sat in and didnt hear anything either
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Re: New engine swap, no fuel or spark

no no no, turn the car completely off, then turn until the guages and everything come on, u should hear sum sort of a buzz in the back underneath the car. Dont turn it so much that u start cranking
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Re: New engine swap, no fuel or spark

yeah i know what you mean...we tried at all key positions to see if there was anything (we did this alot as we were trying to get the diagnostic check engine light to blink for us...which wasnt on in the first place but we were hoping for some kind of help)
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Re: New engine swap, no fuel or spark

...... did u hear the fuel pump primeing???
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Re: New engine swap, no fuel or spark

fuel pump is shot then.

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Re: New engine swap, no fuel or spark

i dont get how the fuel pump could die on the tow ride home though....and would the fuel pump dying out cause me to not have spark anymore?
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Re: New engine swap, no fuel or spark

Have your friend get close to the gas tank and try it. Thats the best way. I can never hear mine when i try it, i have to get underneath to hear it. Then try banging on the gas tank in the middle. It might need little "jump". Or unbolt the fuel line and turn to the on postition, just a get a bucket or something to let the gas spray in. Sorry but i always do dangerous ****.
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check your fuses man. you said you switch the wires so you could have blown something
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is there a fuse that controls the fuel and the ignition?
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Re: New engine swap, no fuel or spark

hey not for nothing....sounds like a problem w/ a sensor.... like crank sensor/tdc sensor.
if the sensor is not reading correctly it would cause no fuel and no spark. h23 has that sensor(S) in the distributor. maybe start w/ that....
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Re: New engine swap, no fuel or spark

we've been all over the sensors 100 times hoping maybe we left something out but i cant find anything...where would the tdc sensor be? ill check that as well as run through my fuses....as far as i know of the only sensor missing is my knock sensor
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Re: New engine swap, no fuel or spark

Its the ecu ground buy the thermo stat. The same thing happened to my friends prelude and I fixed it in two mins after he tried for weeks lmfao. Your welcome btw.
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Its the ecu ground buy the thermo stat. The same thing happened to my friends prelude and I fixed it in two mins after he tried for weeks lmfao. Your welcome btw.


true story! i forgot i had that problem as well w/ the first H23 swap.

def check this out, cuz it's VERY easy to oversee this.
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Re: New engine swap, no fuel or spark

dude ill poop skittles if thats all it is...ok where is that ground at? im pretty new to this whole thing and have been trying to learn from my buddy as the swap was happening

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Actually, while were at it...where are the other grounds at (supposed to be) so i can check them all and make sure they're all connected

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Re: New engine swap, no fuel or spark

the ECU ground is supposed to be connected to the thermostat housing, which is located at the end of the lower rad hose, on the block. locate the t-stat housing, then look all around that immediate area for any unhooked wires with an o-connector at the end of them.

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- from the valve cover to the chassis, located on the drivers-side motor mount.
- neg batt terminal to the chassis (rad support) and to the starter.

thats all i can think of right now
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Maybe the fuel pump was the problem with the first motor. Check your ground wires.
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it was the damn ground!!! its running now! had the axel pop out and found out the hard way auto trannies need twice as much fluid as manuals (**** torque converters) and with the missing knock sensor and the map sensor sending codes....it runs like dog crap but....its running and thats all i care about at this point lol
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Re: New engine swap, no fuel or spark

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Originally Posted by twokexlv6coupe View Post
you truly are a dumbass



FP's can take a sh!t within a coupla minutes, so yea it coulda died as he was pullin it outta the driveway.
he doesnt need a walboro 255 dumby!.... its not like thats the only fuel pump in the world.... maybe to you it is. but thats just unneccessary. So dont call me a dumbass Mr. i wish i had a turbo that could beat N/A's
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