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boost or all motor

hey guys, next summer im going to uprade the h22a, but im not sure what to do. boost or all motor? who has done boost? who has done all motor? what are the results? any suggestions?
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How much power do you want and how much money can you spend?
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Re: boost or all motor

You will spend the same amount of money but gain more power with boost. Just make sure to get an aftermarket computer like a hondata s300 and get your car tuned once you have all the upgrades done to it and make sure that you only boost about 7lbs because the h22a has high compression... 10.6 i think.
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How much power do you want and how much money can you spend?

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Correct me if I am wrong but all motor is easier on your car than boost. prolly want to keep that in mind.
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Re: boost or all motor

If you have never dealt with a turbo build before, just stay all motor for now. And do LOTS AND LOTS of research while you save up money then decide what you want. Oh, and there is a search button at the top of the screen. Please use it, because I just posted on a thread exactly like this 2 days ago. Research ftw man.
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Correct me if I am wrong but all motor is easier on your car than boost. prolly want to keep that in mind.
It's arguable. When done right, boost is perfectly fine, just like nitrous.
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Re: boost or all motor

+1. But if he has never dealt with a turbo build before, it will seem extremely complicated. They can both be reliable engines, but I STILL think that n/a building/tech is easier than turbo building/tech. Maybe I'm just an idiot. Lol. But I've been reading about turbo **** since I bought my car over a year ago and I still don't fully understand it. To the OP, like I said, SAVE SAVE SAVE, and research while you save.
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why not all motor and then boost
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Re: boost or all motor

because some of the things you do for n/a, you don't do for boost. For example n/a you'd raise compression. Boost you'd lower compression. n/a you would buy a header. Boost you have to buy a turbo manifold. See where this is going?
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n/a you dont wait for the turbo to spool up..but then again you dont get that cool turbo bov sound :D

yeah that was totally a useless post..but its a difference between n/a n turbo!
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n/a you dont wait for the turbo to spool up..but then again you dont get that cool turbo bov sound :D

yeah that was totally a useless post..but its a difference between n/a n turbo!
You can get a small, fast-spooling turbie and have great response.
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Re: boost or all motor

i know i little about turbos, and the things i dont know... i have friends that are honda experts. i have someone that will build and tune for me. im still in high school so i dont think i want to push maximum power but probly 300-400hp and ill be willing to spend about 3 or 4 grand on a set up ( which will probly be turbo).does any one have any videos are pics of what they have done to an h22? what do people have to say about superchargers or itb's. i know how all these things work, i just kind of want to see them done before i do something to mine.. you know.
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Only a handful of people have had any success on H22's with ITB's. 98vtec tried them and didn't work.

Spend wisely and you can get the whole kit for 3-4K, but that still leaves out internals, which you'll need for that much. There's only been a couple of H22's to reach just to 300 hp on stock internals and I'm not real sure how reliable they were.
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so what your saying is the stock internals arnt good for boosting.
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I always thought boosting with vtec was more difficult than the H23. Thats why im still in the decision process of whether or not i want another H23 or do the swap.
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so what your saying is the stock internals arnt good for boosting.
I'm just saying they're not good for much boost. If your compression is good and everything is in tact correctly, you can run 6-7 psi no problem.

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Not more difficult. The H23 just has slightly lower compression and the tranny has taller gears. The two share the same block. The pistons, crank, rods, etc. are very different though. You'd still need to sleeve the H23 to crank the boost up.
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i was planning on getting new internals any way unless it wasnt necesary.
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So if i put a H22 in will i have to change my gauge cluster because the rpm redline is higher on the H22? Also If i wanted to stick with obd II would i have to get a 96 H22? THANKS ALOT!!!
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Check out www.laskeyracing.com
I'm pretty sure that's who I'm going to get to sleeve my block and balance my crank and rods. Just going to put it all together myself to cut a little cost.
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So if i put a H22 in will i have to change my gauge cluster because the rpm redline is higher on the H22? Also If i wanted to stick with obd II would i have to get a 96 H22? THANKS ALOT!!!
You'll have to go to OBD1 since OBD2 ECU's can't be chipped if you want to boost or if you do any internal work.
As for the gauge cluster, you're fine with the one you have as long as you get the rev limiter in the right. Don't want to be tuning 9000 rpms and go boom.
It's also fun when the redline on the H23 cluster is at 6500 and you're at 7900 with your H22 under the hood and your passenger is freaking out.
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You can get a small, fast-spooling turbie and have great response.
wwhhheeeee!!!!!!!.... you already got all your answers...

w/ tuning plan on spending more than 3 grand.. a good bit more (although there has been some recent talk about custom builds using OEM turbos from other cars...... if you don't want to spend too much just do a mild N/A built... valvetrain, cams, TB, etc.. and maybe the intake manifold if you want to spend the extra cash... DYNO TUNE IS A MUST SO LOSE THE P13.

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You'll have to go to OBD1 since OBD2 ECU's can't be chipped if you want to boost or if you do any internal work.
As for the gauge cluster, you're fine with the one you have as long as you get the rev limiter in the right. Don't want to be tuning 9000 rpms and go boom.
It's also fun when the redline on the H23 cluster is at 6500 and you're at 7900 with your H22 under the hood and your passenger is freaking out.
ditto... I have that going on and I have had a few comments... passengers who get concerned but don't want to say anything when you spin it up close to 8K, and you feel like you are going ape**** when you look at the tach... when I want great acceleration my shift point is 7200... higher and I feel bad about it, haha. I land at about 5k and am still in vtec (crossover tuned to apporx 4800)... right into a meaty chunk of the torque curve... feels good.

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i ****ed up with not including my na build specs and turbo build specs, have you looked into liquid fueled rockets?
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why not all motor and then boost
Either way you are going for higher compression ratios. If you All motor, you are gonna still have a higher compression ratio just like boosting it. If you all motor, then at a turbo, you're gonna blow it up or pop head gaskets all the time because that's just too much compression.

When going for a boost build you need to lower the engines natural compression ratio to compensate for the boost you are adding on for with different pistons, etc...
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^the pistons used with boost lower the compression.... right.... the BOOST raises it.... right....
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i know that is why the f22 i have is great for boosting, but i will be needing VTRECK
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