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Old 08-04-2008, 03:57 PM
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How to tell a S for a SI

Real soon i will be getting a new to me lude WOOOOOT. I been looking all over and found a good bit of 4th g but we all know some one will put SI just to sell it so i want to know how can u tell the S from the SI and what different in the 2. All i have come up with is the S has the F22A1 engine, 135 hp and the SI has the H23A1, 160 hp.
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Re: How to tell a S for a SI

F23a? 135hp 130tq(?) H23A1 160whp 156tq
Si's have ABS standard and some have 4ws. A 6500rpm redline instead of 6000 or something. In the vin the 4th-6th characters on an Si will be BB2. An S will have BA8 I think. The brakes may be bigger on the Si's and maybe the sway bars, but I'm not sure.
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hi i ve got a 98 si in a bb5 shell with an f22b engine rated at 160bhp with sss/auto trans which was imported in 99 to the uk and i m happy with it but to make it realy go you will need nitrous with at least a 35hp shot
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Re: How to tell a S for a SI

there is also the obvious S being dual carb and the Si being injection so once you look under the bonnet, or as ye call it the hood , you'll be able to tell straight away
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there is also the obvious S being dual carb and the Si being injection so once you look under the bonnet, or as ye call it the hood , you'll be able to tell straight away
Sorry Aoifie, that's only for the 3rd gens

The 4th gen "S" models, at least in N.America came with an SOHC, fuel injected F series motor...Accord in Prelude clothing...not funny, more sad-like...
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Re: How to tell a S for a SI

ha sorry, i didn't know that! i just presumed thats the way all hondas were since thats the way my prelude and accord are but you learn something new everyday
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Re: How to tell a S for a SI

So no real way to tell from just pic tho unless it's an engine pic?
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Re: How to tell a S for a SI

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In the vin the 4th-6th characters on an Si will be BB2. An S will have BA8 I think.
this is def the most reliable way to tell.


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So no real way to tell from just pic tho unless it's an engine pic?
and wheels. i THINK S's only came w/ hubcaps. and a front lip. and power windows.
hell, just send me the link, i'll confirm it for you.
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Re: How to tell a S for a SI

hear is one that says it's the 93 VTEC

This one just says it's a 94

The rest i don't have pics of but i can ask the ppl for the vin.

O and the one down the road the block said it was an F22B and i think that is the Vtec f22 right??
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Re: How to tell a S for a SI

bottom one appears to be an Si. I doubt the S models came with alloys like somebody else said.
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Look at the VIN

JHMBB2 = Si
JHMBA8 = S
JDMBB1 = Si VTEC

S models also don't have power locks or the front lip garment that the Si and VTEC had. They also have hub caps, although you know it's possible for those to be swapped. I know for a few years at least, there wasn't a passenger air bag, but not sure if or when they ever got them.
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Re: How to tell a S for a SI

the S's are lip-less? Didn't know that....
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Yup. Some people may have gotten it added as an option, but they weren't supposed to.
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Re: How to tell a S for a SI

I want a new front lip.... Anyway- are there any suspension differences between the two? And brakes (besides ABS)?
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Re: How to tell a S for a SI

kinda of asking a side question: is there anyway to to know if the prelude came with 4WS if there is no emblem?

I only ask because I was looking at one and the trunk had been replaced! so is there anyway to tell?
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Re: How to tell a S for a SI

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kinda of asking a side question: is there anyway to to know if the prelude came with 4WS if there is no emblem?

I only ask because I was looking at one and the trunk had been replaced! so is there anyway to tell?
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Re: How to tell a S for a SI

look under neath the rear, also if they have a pic of the dash see if there is a 4ws light to the right of the speedo. The the trunk will also be different. the rear liniing will have a bulge for the 4ws computer.
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Si had the front and rear lip, S had no lip
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Re: How to tell a S for a SI

VIN # sounds like a winner unless engine was swapped

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O and the one down the road the block said it was an F22B and i think that is the Vtec f22 right??
f22b (w/o #) = JDM h23a1... slightly destroked, same specs... dohc f22b was not sold in the US... had to be swapped in.

I am almost positive that the suspension on all 3 models was the same (minus 4ws)... so there should be no difference in sway bar or anything else...

Vtec/Si = standard abs as mentioned... abs light is on the left side on the crazy 4th gen display... I know caz mine's always on :)
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how am i suppose to know if my prelude has vtec its an SE with the h23 motor. are all of the h23s vtec?
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Re: How to tell a S for a SI

^no (edit: USDM) h23 is vtec unless you built it that way (h22 head, h23 block)

Just thought of another way to tell the si... there is a sticker on the door jam at the back... open the door and look low on the door jam (where tire pressure info is) and it should have an
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Re: How to tell a S for a SI

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Si had the front and rear lip, S had no lip
nope. no rear lips ever came on a 4G.

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how am i suppose to know if my prelude has vtec its an SE with the h23 motor. are all of the h23s vtec?
another SE!! is it my color, or green?
and no, you have the non-vtec H23.

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^no h23 is vtec unless you built it that way (h22 head, h23 block)
not true. the H23a in the accord Si-R wagon had vtec stock :eviltongue:
no H23 OFFERED IN THE STATES had vtec.
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O and the one down the road the block said it was an F22B and i think that is the Vtec f22 right??
If im not mistaken the F22b is the JDM H23a1, DOHC non-vtec
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^ yup.

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not true. the H23a in the accord Si-R wagon had vtec stock :eviltongue:
no H23 OFFERED IN THE STATES had vtec.
yea, I should have been more specific, I wasn't really allowing for that possibility. I assumed anyone with a stock h23 vtec in a prelude would already know what they had... here's to your eviltongue...:booty

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