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Old 12-19-2007, 05:47 AM
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H22 swap or Turbo b20????

hi im new to 3rd gen preludes and Honda all together, but my question is what is better the h22 swap or a b20a5 turbo? if i go with the b20 it will be 20psi plus of boost and the h22 will be n/a.
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do the b20a boost it will meke more power then a n/a h22
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20psi?

Turbo and N/A are two different types of beast...(in a Prelude).
It's what you prefer and what you like...your name is "Turbo-Prelude" so stick with it.
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yeah i say turbo but thats just me and 20 psi is a **** load but i plan on building a engine to handle more around 25 psi
and if i remember right 7psi will like double the b20a horse power thats right right prelude13 hmmmm
but yeah man figure out what you want to do and go from there
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its up to you bro.

an N/A H22 will be more expensive with not as much of a pay-off (my personal opinion) than a turbo B20a5. but look who you're talking to.
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just dont cut any corners when doing a turbo its better to be safe then sorry hahaha
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my main concern is that i have a b21a1 that came with the car and i was looking at the b20a5 japan motor. but i cant find anything about how strong the block is if the sleeved b21 or the b20a5 will be stronger. thanks for all the input everyone....
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the JDM motor is a B20A the usdm motor is the B20A5, the B21A1 is a pretty good motor, i'm just not too happy with them right now because i blew up my 2nd one a couple weeks ago, but the B20s are better for boost beacuse of the steel sleeves, but as for boost or a N/A H22, i would say go with boost because just to swap in a stock H22 you're looking in the ball park of any where from 2-3000$ and a NA build up is not cheap by no means and you're not going to put down the kind of numbers you would with FI, but i can say that theres nothing quite like 5th gear vtec in a built H22!!
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the b20a and b20a5 cant both handle boost on stock sleeves pretty good the b21a1 is a good engine but the sleeves would have to be replaced and b20a and b20a5 can handle live 8 psi stock cause from factory they were supposed to be turbod. but a h22 n/a will be expensive and wont give you what a boosted engine will
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well i know for sure that im going to get the IPP kit with the puater rods and then im going to have them coat the pistons so it can handle 25psi but im only going to run 20-23pounds along with ARP studs and a all the nice stuff. has anyone found any other rods or piston besides wiseco and puater.?? i was talking to LSD a they said JE will make a set of custom pistons for $620. so will the b20a and the b20a5 block be able to handle 25 pounds??
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if you sleeve it will be able to handle that kind of boost as well as any other motor would, you have to remember that most people that have setups capable of pushing that amount of boost normally don't all the time, exspeshally if it is driven regularly... they will do dyno runs at high boost to see what kind of power the car is capable of making but normally drop it back down to around 10-15lbs of boost to drive it around on the streets so its possible to have some fun with it, if you were to run 20-25lbs on the street you wouldn't have any traction whatso ever
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Anyone can come in here and just say "h22" or "b20a5"... This man doesn't just want your opinion, he wants facts.

I am not an expert on this topic, but you might wanna ask some of the other guys on here. I'd say that a b20a5 with 20 pounds of boost in a 3rd gen will probably outperform an H22 N/A in a third gen. I could be wrong about that though. Also, H22's are notoriously expensive, especially when you are going for N/A power... So ask around, a lot of people here have a good deal more knowledge than I do with both of these motors.

^Disregard all of that, I typed all that up before I realized how many more people on here gave you good advice... i just saw that stupid "h22" post and decided to vent lol.

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I say boosted B20. H22's are getting to be mainstream for 3rd gens. Stick to it's roots and take advantage of the non-FRM sleeves in the B20 so you can have a nicer turbo set-up. Those engines are what laid the platform for all other B-series engines.
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the only reason really people put the h22 in the prelude is that its the only vtec that fits into them and you dont have to make custom mounts but i think that vtec is over rated i rather have a non-vtec and kick people that have vtecs ass then they come back and say how did you beat me i got a vtec theres alot of satisfaction in that haha the h22 is just to commonly done now i mean everyone is jumping on the h22 bandwagon barely anyone is doin a b20 turbo so that would be cool to get more people to stay true to the 3g and keep the heart of the 3g in there hahaha thats just what i think
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Yes, i can agree with your point but you have to look at it this way:

About 5 or so years ago, h22 motor in a 3rd gen Prelude body was available, some people did it and then mounts weren't available anymore. So it's not that common, it's the talk of the town though, so i can see why you want to be different. To be honest, there aren't like, 200 people with this kinda swap on the planet i can tell you that. Besides, it's not as common as a Civic with a b18b swap.

H22 is a fantastic Honda performance motor you have to realize and respect that.
The B20a/b21a1 was a nice motor for its time, but weak outputed for todays 2 liter market.


Whichever way you do it, via a turbo or 2.2 L motor, you'll still have a fast Prelude. And that's what really counts.
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im pretty sure im going with the turbo b20. now im trying to find a b20a5 or b20a for the build since sleeves are the price of an entire engine without the machine work. for anyone else interested in doing a build like this the price for all internals is $2400 which includes IPP hp kit with puater rods and coated pistons which they say will run 25+pounds(600+hp), LSD cam gears, and the LSD turbo manifold. ill try to get a build thread for it but it wont be for a while thanks for all the options and info everyone helps alot!!!
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This is kind of off subject...I say Turbo F20B FTMFW.
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Def. go with the B20a Turbo. but that is in my opinion. for the power i would turbo it because the b20a's respond to turbo's really well and plus its very unorthadox to do that. but it requires a lot of work and extra parts then just a swap. so pick your own evil.
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20psi of boost is a broken engine waiting to happen. N/A is always safer. If you wanna boost then how bout running low PSI on the 2.2L instead.
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<---- had both a boosted B20A and now I drive the 3GP with an H22...

I can say that the H22 in stock form has a lot less power, though the characteristics of both setups are totally different.

The H22 is fast and very fun to drive, plus it's a totally different beast, gearing, fuel cut, response, power band etc..

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