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about to buy 89 4ws 2.0si manual prelude what 2 look 4 , replace, and suggestions???

I am about to purchase a 1989 Honda Prelude 4ws 2.0 SI engine manual gearbox (transmission) with dual overhead cam I would like any suggestions for what to look for what to look out for what to avoid what will need replacing and what kind of things will I need to regularly maintain.

I really like everything I read about this car it seems like a fun little go kart kind of sports car to drive

I want to keep it stock , have it as my daily driver, it has around 22k miles

Ac is broken

It will most likely need a new paint job etc


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I am about to purchase a 1989 Honda Prelude 4ws 2.0 SI engine manual gearbox (transmission) with dual overhead cam I would like any suggestions for what to look for what to look out for what to avoid what will need replacing and what kind of things will I need to regularly maintain.

I really like everything I read about this car it seems like a fun little go kart kind of sports car to drive

I want to keep it stock , have it as my daily driver, it has around 22k miles

Ac is broken

It will most likely need a new paint job etc


Any and all feedback is appreciated
Replace everything honestly.

Its 25 years old and you do not have a well documented history.
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22k miles...really? That is hard to believe. Just out of curiosity, how much are you paying for this?

You should ask the seller if you can take the car to a shop for a pre purchase inspection. You will have to pay for this (normally less than $100), but the seller should have no objection unless they are trying to hide something.

If you want to check it out yourself, here are some of the things I look for. I will probably miss something, so others can chime in with opinions.

It's been said that not driving a car is just as hard or harder on it than actually putting miles on it. If it really only has 22k miles, how long has it been sitting? Was it in storage for long periods of time, or was it only driven on weekends by a little old lady just to go to church around the corner? This is important because if it's been stored for long periods of time, you'll want to replace pretty much every rubber component in the engine bay (hoses, belts, timing belt, seals, gaskets, etc...). If it's been regularly driven only short distances over all these years then it's more likely that regular maintenance was performed on the car. But I'd still replace most of the items listed above unless there is documented proof of when this was performed. If it was stored, was it inside or outside?

Everything else is the same as any other old Honda, or old car for that matter. Look for rust in the usual areas, rear quarter panels, around the fuel filler door, rocker panels, around all the glass. Look under the car also for signs of rust. Lift the car up on jack stands if you can. Also check around all the glass inside the car for signs of leaks. Check the carpet for signs of mildew or rot. Check all fluid levels, and also look at the fluids to see if they look normal. Listen to the engine run. Look at the exhaust for signs of smoke. Smell the exhaust for any hint of coolant or oil. Why doesn't the A/C work? Does the seller give any explanation on that? Take the car for a test drive. Does the car track straight, or pull to one side or the other? Does it accelerate well? How do the brakes feel when you stop quickly? Does the clutch "grab" in a normal spot, or more towards the top? Does the transmission shift smoothly? Any grinding?
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22k is insanely low
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Re: about to buy 89 4ws 2.0si manual prelude what 2 look 4 , replace, and suggestions

220,000 miles
For $2100
I apologize for the numeral error

CA car
Passed smog
4ws 2.0si dohc


Your thoughts?

I want this because I want a go Kart car! 4ws really appeals to me as well
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In regards to the reason for why the owner thinks the air conditioner not functioning is a bad compressor seal.

It is also missing one wheel center cap which shouldn't be a huge issue at pick your parts here in LA

If anyone can recommend a Los Angeles Prelude 89 mechanic and or garage please pm me or post in this thread for me
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The price seems kind of high for that kind of mileage, but it is a 26 year old car. It's difficult for us to say whether it's a good price or not since we can't inspect the car. In the end you're the one that needs to determine if you're willing to pay that much for this car. Good luck with your decision.
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Where we are $2100 for that many miles would be too much.

But a 26 year old car that can pass the LA emissions criteria is bonus.
Along with that, a house that's 2-300k where we are is a million bux in LA....
Throw in the rarity...
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drat ran the car fax report and in 08 the car has 220k miles passes emissions

and then in 2010 it still has 220k miles but 300 miles less and gets noted as a mileage inconsistency but passed emissions.

seems like to much of a red flag to me especially considering the price.

still like to hear your thoughts but looks like i will pass on this 4ws prelude :(

back to hunting prelude 4ws unless you guys think this still might be worth it for whatever reason. please let me know
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Maybe the took it for emissions every year and parked it. Who knows? Maybe his buddy did the testing and typed it in all the time for him. Who knows? For that price it should at least have a perfect body as well as interior. We'd really like to see it. saw it on craigslist in the l.a. area under Lynwood but it looks like an auto to me. Weird color paintjob of blue.

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drat ran the car fax report and in 08 the car has 220k miles passes emissions

and then in 2010 it still has 220k miles but 300 miles less and gets noted as a mileage inconsistency but passed emissions.

seems like to much of a red flag to me especially considering the price.

still like to hear your thoughts but looks like i will pass on this 4ws prelude :(

back to hunting prelude 4ws unless you guys think this still might be worth it for whatever reason. please let me know
Sounds like someone tinkered with the odometer. Just so you know, it's simple on the 88/89 to run the odometer backwards. Or you can just replace the gauge cluster with a lower mileage lude, also pretty easy to do. Definitely illegal, but I just wanted you to be aware that it's a possibility if the mileage looks wonky.

Having said that, I myself wouldn't hesitate to buy a high mileage lude as long as everything else checked out. But it's pretty hard to do that for you remotely, which is why I suggested to you earlier about taking it to a mechanic for a pre-purchase inspection. Also, the mileage discrepancy is a huge bargaining chip in bringing down the price.
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1989 Honda Prelude 2.0 SI

is the link. I'm worried the car may have around 300k miles on it because it seems like the odometer is rolled back. What do you think would be a fair offer?
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I bought a prelude with 237,799 miles on it in 013. It has 238,036 now. Ended 014 with 238,997.

I bought a 91 with 145k in 012, gave it to my son with about 150 miles added a year later.
That 91 has had like 2 miles on it this year.
(You'll like this Luzer, oil in that B21 has been changed twice)lol

But each time the title changed hands it did have more miles, not less...

Some folks just don't drive 'em often. My 97 has gotten around 40 this year so far (wanted to see 238xxx on the odo). Probably get less than 50.
My truck has gotten less than 100 miles since like 010...
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I bought a prelude with 237,799 miles on it in 013. It has 238,036 now. Ended 014 with 238,997.

I bought a 91 with 145k in 012, gave it to my son with about 150 miles added a year later.
That 91 has had like 2 miles on it this year.
(You'll like this Luzer, oil in that B21 has been changed twice)lol

But each time the title changed hands it did have more miles, not less...

Some folks just don't drive 'em often. My 97 has gotten around 40 this year so far (wanted to see 238xxx on the odo). Probably get less than 50.
My truck has gotten less than 100 miles since like 010...

Just to be completely clear it doesn't appear that this car was driven a short amount in two years. It has less miles after two years.
For instance in 08 when it passed smog it had 220,417 miles then two years later in 2010 it has 220,011. How does a car get 306 less miles on the odometer in two years? Did it get driven in reverse for 306 miles?
It really seems like someone tinkered with the odometer and rolled it back for two years worth of mileage.
If I had to estimate how many miles might be on this car I would add 30k miles per year for the gap between 08-10 where the odometer shows 306 less miles. This car probably has 290k miles on it.

What Is a car like this worth? I do like the car don't get me wrong but at 290k miles it seems like it needs a new engine and I'm not sure how much that will run me? Thoughts?
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What makes you think 290k? If you divide 220k miles by 25 that's 8,800/ year average.

I saw the part where it had 306 less...
I'm seriously not trying to sway your opinion towards or away..
Just pointing out the numbers could have been transposed...could be the car had 911 but op hit the zero and nobody saw that until Ca big brother DMV's oversight comitee said "hey what gives fellas"...

I do mileage reports for a company truck. And an example I mean is one day I write down say 44216, next day I drive 50 miles, that would make it 44266, but write down 44662...it happens.

Like I say things in LA are expensive. So telling somebody from Washington that $1000/ month for an apartment is too much, when the ones where I live go for $650.

Now down to brass tacks;
If you are buying this car as a joy ride car to be restored over time...h3ll yeah go for it.
If you are looking for a reliable daily for highway use...walk a big circle away...like do not go near this one.

But if you're stuck on what to do, do what Luzer suggested and have it inspected.
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If you are just trying to keep it stock then go on ebay or tigerjapanese.com and search for a B20a.

Like so:



This add is for the engine and transmission, so not a bad price, but I would ask about the engines condition.

Link: JDM B20A Engine and 5 Speed Transmission Swap Prelude 88 91 16 Valve DOHC Honda | eBay

This is how you go about replacing the motor. And you are just looking for the long block anyways since you are just keeping it stock for CA smog checks.

But if you are planning on motor swapping or building, then we step into different directions.

Average cost for a motor swap is: $600 not including replacing parts yet.
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What makes you think 290k? If you divide 220k miles by 25 that's 8,800/ year average.

I saw the part where it had 306 less...
I'm seriously not trying to sway your opinion towards or away..
Just pointing out the numbers could have been transposed...could be the car had 911 but op hit the zero and nobody saw that until Ca big brother DMV's oversight comitee said "hey what gives fellas"...

I do mileage reports for a company truck. And an example I mean is one day I write down say 44216, next day I drive 50 miles, that would make it 44266, but write down 44662...it happens.

Like I say things in LA are expensive. So telling somebody from Washington that $1000/ month for an apartment is too much, when the ones where I live go for $650.

Now down to brass tacks;
If you are buying this car as a joy ride car to be restored over time...h3ll yeah go for it.
If you are looking for a reliable daily for highway use...walk a big circle away...like do not go near this one.

But if you're stuck on what to do, do what Luzer suggested and have it inspected.
yea I am looking for a daily driver even though I won't drive it daily. I appreciate the feedback from everyone on this forum. I really like the 3rd gens.

I wanted to assume the worst in terms of how many miles could be put on the car in two years, since it was in southern california and could have been possibly used a a commuter car. I know a ton of people who drive 20-25k a year and so I made it 30k as a worst case scenario.

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If you are just trying to keep it stock then go on ebay or tigerjapanese.com and search for a B20a.

Like so:



This add is for the engine and transmission, so not a bad price, but I would ask about the engines condition.

Link: JDM B20A Engine and 5 Speed Transmission Swap Prelude 88 91 16 Valve DOHC Honda | eBay

This is how you go about replacing the motor. And you are just looking for the long block anyways since you are just keeping it stock for CA smog checks.

But if you are planning on motor swapping or building, then we step into different directions.

Average cost for a motor swap is: $600 not including replacing parts yet.
Interesting and thanks for the link. I was looking at different areas of los angeles to get repair work done at, and I came to the conclusion that Sun Valley in Los Angeles City is kinda like a big wrecking yard / parts area. If I had the cash I would definitely think about not keeping it stock.



I have to dwell on this for a bit and if I proceed forward I will definitely get it inspected at an auto mechanic in the area.
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If you are just trying to keep it stock then go on ebay or tigerjapanese.com and search for a B20a.

Like so:



This add is for the engine and transmission, so not a bad price, but I would ask about the engines condition.

Link: JDM B20A Engine and 5 Speed Transmission Swap Prelude 88 91 16 Valve DOHC Honda | eBay

This is how you go about replacing the motor. And you are just looking for the long block anyways since you are just keeping it stock for CA smog checks.

But if you are planning on motor swapping or building, then we step into different directions.

Average cost for a motor swap is: $600 not including replacing parts yet.
I've never seen a b20a fresh off the boat with a red valve cover.
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yea I am looking for a daily driver even though I won't drive it daily. I appreciate the feedback from everyone on this forum. I really like the 3rd gens.

I wanted to assume the worst in terms of how many miles could be put on the car in two years, since it was in southern california and could have been possibly used a a commuter car. I know a ton of people who drive 20-25k a year and so I made it 30k as a worst case scenario.



Interesting and thanks for the link. I was looking at different areas of los angeles to get repair work done at, and I came to the conclusion that Sun Valley in Los Angeles City is kinda like a big wrecking yard / parts area. If I had the cash I would definitely think about not keeping it stock.



I have to dwell on this for a bit and if I proceed forward I will definitely get it inspected at an auto mechanic in the area.
Good move.

This forum differs from many others in that the folks that still post are generally ones who've always sought to help others. Luzer is one of those old guard. Luda, he seems to be a prelude encylopedia. Wow! Funryd, well he's a grandfather here. Elspectro pops in about 3 times a year, says 5+/- words then goes back to lurker. Same for LesPaul. Sideswipe the mad scientist pops in from time to time with Dennis Miller (read over most of our head) comments that make you go "oh crap I get it" some 3 days later. At some point the boss around here (prelude13) may pop in with something amazing...don't know what became of the very helpful Tonemeister..

I've been here 3+ years and have seen the traffic fall off dramatically. Yet even when traffic was heavy there was generally a chill atmosphere with some debate here n there...but nary a d#@k measuring contest.

Now there are times where folks are gently nudged to learn for themselves, but that's usually followed up with a link or two as a sorta starting point.

The 3g and back are getting more difficult for the new owners to modify or even maintain. Lots of digging required.
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