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Does anyone know if it is possible to swap out the Clutch Coil and/or the Temp/Pick-Up Sensor set WITHOUT removing the compressor from the car? I have verified that my Coil IS bad and figuring since I am going to swap that, I may want to swap the Temp & Pick-Up Sensor set. I took a look and think that there is enough slack in the hoses to unbolt the compressor and pull it up enough to do the swap. Just would like confirmation from someone who has successfully done this without opening up the system.

I WOULD just swap out the Compressor and call it a day, but I am still running R12 and it is nice and cold when the comressor is running and don't see the reason to have to hunt down more R12 to recharge and also have to swap out the Evaporator,etc.

If it IS possible, any and all Tips & Tricks are VERY welcomed!
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You can change the clutch and coil without opening up the system, used to do it at the dealer to save time and make more money. You will also need some selective shims to set the drag of your clutch.

You CANNOT change the pickups without discharging the system.
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Awesome Luda! That's the info I needed. Thanks a bunch!
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Luda, after thinking some and sleeping on it... I have a couple more questions...

Do you know if there is enough slack in the A/C hoses to pull the compressor up to work on it? It looks like there is if I unbolt the bracket of the hose that circles the fan and of course unbolt the compressor from the block or mount, whatever it bolts to.

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Possibly... Is there room to perform the coil swap with the compressor still bolted down? I personally think that I MAY be able to get a wrench in there to remove the bolt, but not sure about enough room to slide the Clutch and Pulley off and maybe not even the coil either.

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You can leave the ac lines on and tip the compressor enough but you either need to remove ps, alternator, and ac compressor bracket, or my favorite, just the radiator with fans still attached. I find I can have the radiator out and compressor loose in about 10 min. or less. I haven't tried changing the mag clutch with compressor tight on the 3g's but I have used this method on other model Honda's. It appears that there is room on the 3g's but I don't think I would try it without a lift because you would be working from the bottom around the front cross member. Although I suppose if you remove the ps and alternator you could do it from the top. If you twist the compressor around just be careful of the lines, if the aluminum portions start to bend at all, stop and try another position.
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You can leave the ac lines on and tip the compressor enough but you either need to remove ps, alternator, and ac compressor bracket, or my favorite, just the radiator with fans still attached. I find I can have the radiator out and compressor loose in about 10 min. or less. I haven't tried changing the mag clutch with compressor tight on the 3g's but I have used this method on other model Honda's. It appears that there is room on the 3g's but I don't think I would try it without a lift because you would be working from the bottom around the front cross member. Although I suppose if you remove the ps and alternator you could do it from the top. If you twist the compressor around just be careful of the lines, if the aluminum portions start to bend at all, stop and try another position.
Once again, thanks for the tips! I kinda figured I'd need to remove the PS Pump and/or the Alternator but never occured to me to remove the Radiator. I have a set of ramps and bricks I put on the ramps and set the car down and a good set of chocks to put behind the rear wheels. That gets the car up to just the right height to where I can bend at the waist and lean on the car. Makes it easier on my back. I'll let you know which method I go with! Searching for the best price on a coil now...
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Once again, thanks for the tips! I kinda figured I'd need to remove the PS Pump and/or the Alternator but never occured to me to remove the Radiator. I have a set of ramps and bricks I put on the ramps and set the car down and a good set of chocks to put behind the rear wheels. That gets the car up to just the right height to where I can bend at the waist and lean on the car. Makes it easier on my back. I'll let you know which method I go with! Searching for the best price on a coil now...
You should invest in a good set of jack stands. Never trust bricks or cinder blocks to hold a car. In a pinch you can use wood blocks. They don't fail with no warning like masonry can. Safety first!!!
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You should invest in a good set of jack stands. Never trust bricks or cinder blocks to hold a car. In a pinch you can use wood blocks. They don't fail with no warning like masonry can. Safety first!!!
I have a good set of Jack stands as well. They just don't get the car as high as the ramp/Brick combo does. The ramps are plastic and rated for 2 tons and have ridges on the side. The 2 bricks per side fit perfectly on the parking surface of the ramp and the whole contact patch of the tire is supported. My car sat on those ramps for 2 months while I rebuilt the engine last year. I feel pretty confident in them.
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I have a good set of Jack stands as well. They just don't get the car as high as the ramp/Brick combo does. The ramps are plastic and rated for 2 tons and have ridges on the side. The 2 bricks per side fit perfectly on the parking surface of the ramp and the whole contact patch of the tire is supported. My car sat on those ramps for 2 months while I rebuilt the engine last year. I feel pretty confident in them.
Ramps are perfectly fine, I didn't actually say not to use those. It's the bricks that I don't trust. You would be better off using wood blocks with the ramps than bricks. But I'm probably a little more anal about safety than most people. I've seen bricks and cinder blocks used, and I've seen both fail. The way that you are using the bricks is probably the least risky. The ones I've seen fail were used to support metal parts of the car, not under the tires. Just looking out for you Tony.
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A lot of it has to due with how the bricks are used.

IF using bricks, solid bricks are best. If using hollow bricks like cinder, only use them so the load is on the walls and transferred evenly to the ground. NEVER use them with the holes in a horizontal orientation as this can cause the blocks to collapse.
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NEVER use them.
Fixed it for you.

Seriously though, safety isn't worth saving the little bit of money you might save by using cinder blocks instead of proper jack stands. I will never lay under a car supported by bricks or cinder blocks, nor will I advise anyone to do that. No matter how you orient them. It's just not worth the risk. Now I'll step off my
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Ramps are perfectly fine, I didn't actually say not to use those. It's the bricks that I don't trust. You would be better off using wood blocks with the ramps than bricks. But I'm probably a little more anal about safety than most people. I've seen bricks and cinder blocks used, and I've seen both fail. The way that you are using the bricks is probably the least risky. The ones I've seen fail were used to support metal parts of the car, not under the tires. Just looking out for you Tony.
I understand that the concern is with the bricks, and not the ramps. I sincerely appreciate you looking out for me. (And anyone else who might try doing the same thing) Thank you. I do have some 4x4 posts that I could cut to length and bind together and use in place of the bricks. They would be easier to move as well.

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A lot of it has to due with how the bricks are used.

IF using bricks, solid bricks are best. If using hollow bricks like cinder, only use them so the load is on the walls and transferred evenly to the ground. NEVER use them with the holes in a horizontal orientation as this can cause the blocks to collapse.
Oh, yeah, these are solid concrete type bricks used for landscaping. They were left over from lining out my wife's flower beds. When I would go to fit the final piece, I had to use an air chisel to break them in halves or thirds and it wasn't easy, so I know that these are VERY strong and able to hold the weight without failing.

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Fixed it for you.

Seriously though, safety isn't worth saving the little bit of money you might save by using cinder blocks instead of proper jack stands. I will never lay under a car supported by bricks or cinder blocks, nor will I advise anyone to do that. No matter how you orient them. It's just not worth the risk. Now I'll step off my
I totally agree 100%.
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Wow! I missed a whole chapter.
Me, I don't trust jack stands, so I put my jack under the car in case the stands fail. But I don't trust the jack either. I don't trust cable lifts. I don't trust hydraulic lifts.
But I trust God to show me the safest means available knowing if my eternal lottery number comes up, so much for planet earth living....
Trouble with being dead is it lasts so long...seems like forever.
Yet at least if you're dead a broken car won't matter...it's being mamed with a broken car that sucks.

In my work we use concrete brick and concrete block made of concrete that can with stand 4000 pounds per square inch crushing strength. But using those one should still place wood over the items to spread the load as it were.

Sheesh, now I'm afraid to crawl under my car...
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Wow! I missed a whole chapter.
Me, I don't trust jack stands, so I put my jack under the car in case the stands fail. But I don't trust the jack either. I don't trust cable lifts. I don't trust hydraulic lifts.
But I trust God to show me the safest means available knowing if my eternal lottery number comes up, so much for planet earth living....
Trouble with being dead is it lasts so long...seems like forever.
Yet at least if you're dead a broken car won't matter...it's being mamed with a broken car that sucks.

In my work we use concrete brick and concrete block made of concrete that can with stand 4000 pounds per square inch crushing strength. But using those one should still place wood over the items to spread the load as it were.

Sheesh, now I'm afraid to crawl under my car...
Why don't you trust jack stands, or were you just making a joke? Trusting in God is great, I highly encourage that, but you can't just rely on that to keep you safe. I'm pretty sure that God wants you to use some intelligence as well.
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You will find it hard to work on the compressor with that front crossmember in the say.
I tried it and even with my traction bar on it was still a squeeze to move things around.

A lift would be the preferential tool to lift the car, if you cant get to one then going to the ground is your only other option.

Not fun at all...
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Yeah, I think that God would like a LOT more people to use their intelligence, and compassion, and common sense, etc etc...

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You will find it hard to work on the compressor with that front crossmember in the way.
I tried it and even with my traction bar on it was still a squeeze to move things around.

A lift would be the preferential tool to lift the car, if you cant get to one then going to the ground is your only other option.

Not fun at all...
Thanks for the insight Sean. I wish I had a lift! Maybe in the garage of my next house! Luda said that I woul have more room if I removed the radiator & Fan assy, which is looking like a real likely action that I'll be taking.
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I don't trust jack stands. So I use a backup.
I don't trust my fuel gauge so I watch miles driven.
I don't trust the car will always go so I carry a flashlight, battery booster and a charged cell phone. My favorite tow truck driver is assigned a speed dial #.
I don't trust my breaker bar, so I have 2.

I've never had a car fall on me. I've never run out of gas. And when a tool breaks I could keep going with the backup.

But that's just me.

Tony I'm learning in this thread. I knew what you could or couldn't with the 5g ac but not the 3rd with it's crowded engine bay. But I do know from junkyard pix the radiator/fan assembly isn't that hard...yep, I had 3 spare radiators, a bunch of fans, sensors n switches etc...don't trust them either.
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I don't trust my fuel gauge so I watch miles driven.
I don't trust the car will always go so I carry a flashlight, battery booster and a charged cell phone. My favorite tow truck driver is assigned a speed dial #.
I don't trust my breaker bar, so I have 2.

I've never had a car fall on me. I've never run out of gas. And when a tool breaks I could keep going with the backup.

But that's just me.

Tony I'm learning in this thread. I knew what you could or couldn't with the 5g ac but not the 3rd with it's crowded engine bay. But I do know from junkyard pix the radiator/fan assembly isn't that hard...yep, I had 3 spare radiators, a bunch of fans, sensors n switches etc...don't trust them either.
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I don't blame you for being prepared. I have a small tool box in my car with metric wrenches, a ratchet and sockets, screwdrivers & pliers, and a few misc items like a razor blade, dental pick, a couple hose clamps... Cause you never know what is going to happen.

I use ramps whenever I can, but when I need to take the wheels off, I have to use the jack stands. I also use chocks behind both wheels that are on the ground so the car doesn't roll as I have a slight incline to my driveway. Sometimes I also leave the jack under the car in addition to the jack stands.

I used to be the "unofficial" Assistant Behavior Safety representative for my facility and actually taught an 8 hour class on Safety Culture and how to prevent injuries and incidents. Even though I am not longer supporting that role, I still am a big advocate for encouraging Safe Working habits and practices. For example, I use gloves, safety glasses, face shields, tool guards, etc when doing "dangerous" things, even at home.
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I was using 1 by's for chocks at one point. But we discovered the real thing at Harbor Freight.

I still have the hollow plastic type in the driveway for when backing in the car or truck to it's spot...kinda like a 'stop here' thing.
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Yeah, I have the Harbor Freight chocks... I have one in each vehicle and a pair for the garage. I want some of those yellow "Stop Here" for the driveway cause my wife has a habit of not pulling into the driveway far enough and then I have "just enough" space to pull in and not have my tail end at the edge of the driveway/street. But not so sure that she would be prompted to pull forward to the stops...
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I look beside me for a visual clue...an object beside me as it were. That gets me a few inches one way or the other. Then the chocks halt me and keep me from having to set the e-brake or leave it in gear on the slight incline.
I don't like leaving it in gear or having the e-brake engaged on my vehicles that sit a lot.
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"I" have no problem knowing when I am parked far enough forward... I can feel when the rear tires of her 4Runner pass the indention of the expansion joint in the driveway and that gives me enough room to park my car properly in the driveway...

My wife on the other hand... Well, that's a whole other story...

Before navigation apps & devices were "affordable", she used to call me to navigate her over the phone to where she was going. BTW... She's a realtor who has lived in the city her whole life. So one time, she calls asking me to direct her to an address, but she has already traveled for a bit towards her destination. I ask what exit she is near and she says she doesn't know. I say, ok, let me know the next one you pass. She tells me what it is and I'm like I think you went too far. She then tells me she thinks so too and doesn't know which direction she is going. I ask if she passed the Beltway (Which is a 4-6 lane tollway that goes all the way around Houston) She says that she don't know. I ask, how can you not know if you passed it or not? You REALLY can't miss it. Her response? "Because I wasn't LOOKING for the damn Beltway"! I was dumbfounded. And quiet. I was like, ok, tell me what exit you pass next so I can tell you which way to go...

We STILL joke about this. And her Superhero Weakness of disorientation. As in, she'll be looking for something and can't find it so I'll go look and find it right away. She'll ask, where was it, and I'll say something like, it was next to the Beltway but I guess you weren't looking for the Beltway... And thankfully, she'll laugh.
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Forgot to mention that my Suburban is parked to her left and it sits there until I need it to haul something or go on vacation, etc. I asked her to "nose up" to it and that will give me enough room to park... But it's not high on her "things to remember to do" list.

I love my wife, Not bashing her one bit. Just venting a little man-related frustration.
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UPDATE:

I ordered my Clutch Coil today and I should have it towards the end of the month. I called a few places online to see if they physically had it and all of them said there was "One on it's way to the warehouse" and they'd ship it to me as soon as it was there. (Supposed to hit the warehouse around Sep 23rd) I went with the Dealership that said they could get it to me the quickest, which was also the one with the lowest price for the part AND lowest shipping cost. ($68 for the part and ~$7 for Fedex 2 day shipping.) The other places said they couldn't get it to me until Oct 1st at the earliest.

So, we'll see how close to the promise date it gets here.
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