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91 4ws would not go in first for 5 secs

I was running late for work and I had to get there fast so I put the pedal to the medal for about 20 miles downshifting to pass cars, going hard in the curves etc but never sped over 75 mph and I t was running like a champ. When I arrived at the guard shack. I put the car in first and it would not go. It didn't stall out. Felt like a cat problem at first but then it took off. When I got off work there was no signs of any problems. What could have failed or overheated. Temp gauge was normal. I do know that the guy I bought it from put a 92 accord idle air control valve on it so I'm not sure what or if this can cause problems. I have a prelude Iacv that a purchased from a junkyard just in case. Also when it's warm outside it seems like I lose a little power. Any suggestions?
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Re: 91 4ws would not go in first for 5 secs

Forgot to mention that I have noticed the batt light blink but not sure if it blinked when this happened. And if I sit in a drive through for mor than ten minutes I see gray or white smoke coming from the tail pipe after I pull off for about a mile. No oil in coolant. Dipstick is not milky. It doesn't do this all the time

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I was running late for work and I had to get there fast so I put the pedal to the medal for about 20 miles downshifting to pass cars, going hard in the curves etc but never sped over 75 mph and I t was running like a champ. When I arrived at the guard shack. I put the car in first and it would not go. It didn't stall out. Felt like a cat problem at first but then it took off. When I got off work there was no signs of any problems. What could have failed or overheated. Temp gauge was normal. I do know that the guy I bought it from put a 92 accord idle air control valve on it so I'm not sure what or if this can cause problems. I have a prelude Iacv that a purchased from a junkyard just in case. Also when it's warm outside it seems like I lose a little power. Any suggestions?
Is this an auto or manual transmission?

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Forgot to mention that I have noticed the batt light blink but not sure if it blinked when this happened. And if I sit in a drive through for mor than ten minutes I see gray or white smoke coming from the tail pipe after I pull off for about a mile. No oil in coolant. Dipstick is not milky. It doesn't do this all the time
The battery light issue will need more troubleshooting on your part. There can be several reasons for this.

You can have a head gasket issue even if your oil and coolant look fine. The most common head gasket issues on 3rd gens is a combustion chamber to coolant jacket breech. This would not usually involve an oil gallery, so it's likely the oil will look normal. Have you checked the coolant level? Remove the radiator cap. Is the coolant level full? With the cap off, start the engine and allow it to run up to temperature. While it's warming up, look to see if there are a lot of air bubbles coming out of the radiator. If the radiator is full, and the coolant overflow is at the correct level, it's not likely you have a head gasket problem. That's assuming you haven't been adding coolant recently of course.
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Re: 91 4ws would not go in first for 5 secs

It wouldn't revv or it wouldn't go when clutch was released???
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Re: 91 4ws would not go in first for 5 secs

Thanks for the reply. I will check coolant levels and look for bubbles today when I get off work. It is a manual transmission and the engine would not rev up. I drove to work this morning and didn't notice any problems but I was not punching it like I was yesterday. I'm pretty sure the clutch is not slipping because I'm familiar with clutch slippage plus it barks in every gear except 5th no matter if I try not to.
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Re: 91 4ws would not go in first for 5 secs

I know something is burning in the combustion chamber but can't tell what it is. When I got the car it was running rich only until warming up. Fixed that problem but now I'm smoking at long idles and it smells like oil but smoke is white which means coolant. If it's gray then it's the lightest gray there is but I think it's white smoke. Probably need to pull the plugs and post here to see what is going on

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Re: 91 4ws would not go in first for 5 secs

The B21 is famous for oil consumption due to ring issues.
Many times the symptom for this is smoke from the tailpipe.




I was able to slow the process with my engine by adding about 4oz of stp oil treatment with each oil change and changing the oil very often.
Adding the zinc causes a lot less friction between the cylinder walls and the piston rings as the walls are a lot tougher than the rings. And keeping fresh oil in the crankcase helped keep micro sized abrasives from building up. These are abrasive particles that get past even the best filters.
When my oil got dark brown, it was dumped.


Could be you had build up on your plugs from oil getting past the valves causing the bogging you experienced. Later the oil may have burned off. But your plugs should show if there are issues.
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Re: 91 4ws would not go in first for 5 secs

Hmmm, I see, the thing is this is "supposed" to be a rebuilt engine. When I bought it the dealer said it had 75 miles on it. Now, if all were true, it has 1700 miles on it.
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They eat rings...the newer the tastier.
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Re: 91 4ws would not go in first for 5 secs

What grade oil do u suggest?
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The B21 is famous for oil consumption due to ring issues.
Many times the symptom for this is smoke from the tailpipe.




I was able to slow the process with my engine by adding about 4oz of stp oil treatment with each oil change and changing the oil very often.
Adding the zinc causes a lot less friction between the cylinder walls and the piston rings as the walls are a lot tougher than the rings. And keeping fresh oil in the crankcase helped keep micro sized abrasives from building up. These are abrasive particles that get past even the best filters.
When my oil got dark brown, it was dumped.


Could be you had build up on your plugs from oil getting past the valves causing the bogging you experienced. Later the oil may have burned off. But your plugs should show if there are issues.
But the smoke will be blue if it's from oil burning. White smoke indicates coolant consumption.

I'm not sure about STP, especially in smaller engines. I used to use it in my 66 Chevelle back in the late 70's, but that thing went through a quart of oil per tank of gas. And the Chevy 283 was pretty much bullet proof. I don't want to use anything that will make my oil more viscous to try to limit oil consumption in my Prelude. I would rather live with the extra oil use and avoid the potential damage that thicker oil will cause at start-up.

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What grade oil do u suggest?
You may get more answers from this question than you wanted. I use 5w-30 Schaeffer's synthetic oil in my Lude. The owner's manual actually gives recommendations on oil grade, based on temperatures in your local region.
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My goal was to have similar amounts of zinc in the crank case that the oils came with back in 91. 'Defy' oil was not available in my area yet. So adding a few tablespoon of stp to 5 qts of oil didn't harm anything, but did reduce oil consumption to nill on a B21 with 225+k miles.
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