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I May Have Gotten A Little Out Of Hand...

Inspection Time is coming up for my Lil' Red and the exhaust has developed a leak or 3 and is need of a new system from the CAT back. I have been contemplating for a while if I was going to stick with a Stock setup or go "Aftermarket".

Well, I made my decision today and I believe my "Need For Speed" was a big contibuting factor. I just bought a set of PaceSetter Ceramic Coated headers, Vibrant 1040 Muffler & 1792 Resonator, the TruBendz 2.5" Stainless Steel Mandrel-Bent Exhaust tubing, and a Flowmaster Free Flow Catalytic Converter... All for $650 and some change. I found some deals on Amazon and decided to go with them. I'll take it to my local shop to have it all welded together so it will be nice and solid and last a LONG time, but thinking I will have to pre-install the Headers and drive there... I bet THAT is going to be nice and loud!

Anyways, Here's a pic of my price list:



The parts from Amazon should arrive Thursday evening so I'll post pictures on Friday.
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I've been told Vibrant stuff holds up well.
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That's a great price! Mandrel bent pipe and even includes the header. That should sound very nice and flow well. I have the same muffler and 2.5 inch SS tubing.
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That's a great price! Mandrel bent pipe and even includes the header. That should sound very nice and flow well. I have the same muffler and 2.5 inch SS tubing.
Thank you both! I had to research the part numbers back and forth for fitment and who had the best prices. Summit Racing had that same header for $339 which is $200 more! Same with the other parts.

Amazon updated the estimated arrivals on a couple parts to Monday, which is fine cause I won't have the TruBendz pipes this weekend so I couldn't get it all installed this weekend anyways.
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That's expensive as $h1t! Will probably sound good though
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That's expensive as $h1t!

Not when a good header can cost upwards of 1k. He got down on prices.
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Thanks! But you think that I paid too much? I thought I got a good deal on everything. Glad I was able to save some money here and there. Summit wanted $200 more for the exact same headers, the Resonator and CAT were slightly higher on Summit plus they charge shipping and the shipping was free on Amazon. Not sure how much a shop would charge for 2.5" stainless steel tubing but I thought $220 was a good price for a pre-bent assembly.

The one thing I didn't take into consideration is that the collector down pipe is only 2.0" in diameter. I think the shop can cut it back to where the 2 pipes meet and weld a 2.5" piece in. They will probably have to elongate the pipe and make one end into an oval. I REALLY don't want to cut the downpipe but I also REALLY don't want any flow restrictions.

Guess I could have gone with a complete Walker system and saved some money, but it would have been aluminumized steel and not stainless.
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Thanks! But you think that I paid too much? I thought I got a good deal on everything. Glad I was able to save some money here and there. Summit wanted $200 more for the exact same headers, the Resonator and CAT were slightly higher on Summit plus they charge shipping and the shipping was free on Amazon. Not sure how much a shop would charge for 2.5" stainless steel tubing but I thought $220 was a good price for a pre-bent assembly.

The one thing I didn't take into consideration is that the collector down pipe is only 2.0" in diameter. I think the shop can cut it back to where the 2 pipes meet and weld a 2.5" piece in. They will probably have to elongate the pipe and make one end into an oval. I REALLY don't want to cut the downpipe but I also REALLY don't want any flow restrictions.

Guess I could have gone with a complete Walker system and saved some money, but it would have been aluminumized steel and not stainless.
meh not really, i mean think of actually buying a legit exhaust for a newer car. My buddies Audi's exhaust is going to end up costing him around 2g's and my buddy when he did his 3000gt it cost him around 6-700 bucks. You did it the pretty legit way so you'll get what you pay for.

I went the $200 Dc sport header + or - like 50 (8 years ago) some $150 pace****ter exhaust pipe, and a magnaflow muffler free, then welded a test pipe and 48" resonator bottle. sounds like meh
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That's expensive as $h1t! Will probably sound good though
I disagree. The only thing that I think he might have overpaid on is the muffler. Mine was just under $100, but that was 5 years ago. And I had to pay for shipping too, so it's not that much more than I paid.

A local shop quoted me almost $600 just for mandrel bent exhaust tubing. To be fair it's the only shop in the area that can even do mandrel bending. That's just for the tubing.
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Custom work is expensive, and we are no civics here so dont expect civic prices...
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Custom work is expensive, and we are no civics here so dont expect civic prices...
I totally agree... I feel like I got a good deal. I always say:

"You get what you pay for and DON'T get what you DON'T pay for" aside from finding a good deal here and there... And you actually get a little more than you pay for!

BTW... Sean, do you know of a down-pipe that has at least a 2.5" outlet? If not, I am thinking I want to have the Pacesetter outlet modified to 2.5" right after the secondaries. I did the math and a 2.5" pipe has the same surface area as the two 1.75" secondaries of the down-pipe. The muffler shop can cut the "collector" off the down-pipe (Shown in the picture below with a red rectangle) and weld in a piece of 2.5" tubing that has been elongated to an oval and would fit perfectly. Here are some pictures of the measurements I took:

Measurement of Collector Pipe Diameter:



Measurement of Down-Pipe @ Header Flange:



Proposed Area to Weld In Elongated 2.5" SS Pipe:



Comparison Of Down-Pipe Collector to 2.5" Pipe:



I think it will work great and not cost too much more than what I will already have to pay to have it all put together.
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I totally agree... I feel like I got a good deal. I always say:

"You get what you pay for and DON'T get what you DON'T pay for" aside from finding a good deal here and there... And you actually get a little more than you pay for!

BTW... Sean, do you know of a down-pipe that has at least a 2.5" outlet? If not, I am thinking I want to have the Pacesetter outlet modified to 2.5" right after the secondaries. I did the math and a 2.5" pipe has the same surface area as the two 1.75" secondaries of the down-pipe. The muffler shop can cut the "collector" off the down-pipe (Shown in the picture below with a red rectangle) and weld in a piece of 2.5" tubing that has been elongated to an oval and would fit perfectly. Here are some pictures of the measurements I took:

Measurement of Collector Pipe Diameter:



Measurement of Down-Pipe @ Header Flange:



Proposed Area to Weld In Elongated 2.5" SS Pipe:



Comparison Of Down-Pipe Collector to 2.5" Pipe:



I think it will work great and not cost too much more than what I will already have to pay to have it all put together.

What most people do is what you are planning on doing, have an exhaust shop cut out the stock y-pipe conneconnector and get an aftermarket piece and weld it in.
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What most people do is what you are planning on doing, have an exhaust shop cut out the stock y-pipe conneconnector and get an aftermarket piece and weld it in.
Thanks Sean for that info. It only makes sense to remove that bottle-neck and have the WHOLE system 2.5".

I'll post pictures of the whole system once it is complete.
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Ok, now that everything has arrived... Here is a picture of the system before it is assembled:



I'll post more pictures once the pieces are welded together and I get them polished up!
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Thanks Jimmy! I don't know how I missed your comment... Yeah, I did some "bargain shopping"! :biggring1:
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Well, I managed to get the Header and Downpipe installed and connected to my stock "CAT-back" with no leaks... After quite a bit of modification...

Those PaceSetter headers are DEFINITELY NOT a "Plug & Play" setup.

I will be writing a review on them when I get the chance.

Some of the issues I had were:
  • The EGR Tube did not line up with the Bung because the bung was too short on the Header. I had to bend the EGR Hard-Line so I could get the fitting started in the threads.
  • The Header to Downpipe Flange does not have mounted studs; Instead they provide a Bolt and Locknut to fasten the two together. The nuts aren't flanged so they fall down into the socket instead of sitting on top.
  • They provided Course threaded bolts as opposed to Fine Threaded Bolts. I went and bought some fine thread 10.9 Grade Flanged Bolts and Flanged Nuts.
  • You are unable to get the (stock or flanged) front bolt in the Header Flange because of the Driver Side O2 Sensor Bung, so I angled that front hole with a drill bit so the bolt would go in.
  • Once you get the bolts in and the Locknuts on, You are unable to get to the head of the bolts to hold them while you tighten the nuts on the bottom. (Not like you can reach both at once anyways.) So I welded them to the Header Flange.
  • The Flange is not parallel to the ground; it is higher on the passenger side
  • Which causes you to be unable to get to the back nut on the passenger side due to the aluminum Transmission to Engine brace and the tapped hole on the block. (I notched my engine block just to be able to get to the nut)
  • The Downpipe was both pointed to the passenger side and One of the tubes was lower than the other.
  • The Hanger Bracket that is welded to the Downpipe to CAT interconnect Hard-Pipe (Replaces the Flex-Pipe) is welded on backwards.


I'll add the pictures to this post later... "Big Brother" has decided that PhotoBucket is on the "No-No" list so I am unable to access that website ate work. ANYWAYS...

I probably shouldn't be complaining since I basically got them for half price... But with all the work I had to do, I'm glad that I didn't pay full price for them!

And I like a challenge, but I was hoping to get the Header & DownPipe installed AND the 2.5" Exhaust to the muffler shop to get welded in place.

Maybe I can get that done this weekend.

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Wow, nice job Tony. I didn't realize the Pacesetter system had that many issues. It's mainly been the OBX header that people have had fittment issues with (b21a1 version). I have an OBX on mine, and had almost zero issues with it. Good luck with the rest of the installation.
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Wow, nice job Tony. I didn't realize the Pacesetter system had that many issues. It's mainly been the OBX header that people have had fittment issues with (b21a1 version). I have an OBX on mine, and had almost zero issues with it. Good luck with the rest of the installation.
Thanks, Do you remember if your Header to Downpipe Flange has studs or thru-bolts? Besides that flange being a little tilted towards the passenger side, I think that my biggest "complaint" is the choice of Bolts Vice Studs.

And I am glad that I was able to connect it to my stock system at the CAT, otherwise I would either have had to take a vacation day or run it open header... And I can imagine I'd definitely get a ticket and/or security here at work wouldn't have let me on the premises.


Oh, I forgot to mention that I had stripped one of the nuts that connects the flex-pipe to the CAT so I had to cut that off and when I put it back together... I used a pair of vise grips to hold those flanges together! I closed them as tight as I possibly could with BOTH hands so I sure hope they don't come off while going down the road... THose are my BEST pair! I'll snap some pictures of that as well when I get the car back up in the air this weekend!

EDIT: I just had a thought... I wonder if there are any "Irregular" Header sets floating around out there and maybe that is why they were sold at a discount... Just a thought.
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Re: I May Have Gotten A Little Out Of Hand...

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Thanks, Do you remember if your Header to Downpipe Flange has studs or thru-bolts? Besides that flange being a little tilted towards the passenger side, I think that my biggest "complaint" is the choice of Bolts Vice Studs.

And I am glad that I was able to connect it to my stock system at the CAT, otherwise I would either have had to take a vacation day or run it open header... And I can imagine I'd definitely get a ticket and/or security here at work wouldn't have let me on the premises.
I don't remember, but I can take a look later if I can remember to do that. I don't remember having a lot of trouble bolting the downpipe to the header, so it probably wasn't bolts with separate nuts.

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Oh, I forgot to mention that I had stripped one of the nuts that connects the flex-pipe to the CAT so I had to cut that off and when I put it back together... I used a pair of vise grips to hold those flanges together! I closed them as tight as I possibly could with BOTH hands so I sure hope they don't come off while going down the road... THose are my BEST pair! I'll snap some pictures of that as well when I get the car back up in the air this weekend!

EDIT: I just had a thought... I wonder if there are any "Irregular" Header sets floating around out there and maybe that is why they were sold at a discount... Just a thought.
I would imagine that's the case with the OBX b21a1 header, given the hit-or-miss issues people have posted about that product. Could be the same with the Pacesetter system.
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Re: I May Have Gotten A Little Out Of Hand...

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I don't remember, but I can take a look later if I can remember to do that. I don't remember having a lot of trouble bolting the downpipe to the header, so it probably wasn't bolts with separate nuts.
It's kool, you don't have to. Just curious as to how they made those.

It only took me 30 mins to take the Down-Pipe and Stock Manifold off and Now that I have everything modified, I would be able to do the same with the Down-Pipe and Header now... and that's including opening my garage and jacking up the car!

The GOOD thing is that I do feel some gain in performance, as one would hope. It revs up noticeably quicker and already sounds "better"... Can't wait to get the rest installed!
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