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88 lude Si isn't running. Im not to mechanical so i have it at a shop. It Has some bent valves and low compression. The shop wants $1500 to fix. What is my cheapest option to get this thing running?? Can I pick up a head cheaper? What head would fit? Swap the whole motor? Any suggestions are welcome.
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$1500 seems quite high to me. I don't take my car to a shop so I can't say for sure what the average cost for this would be, but I wouldn't expect the repair to cost more than maybe half that. The only head that will fit is one from another 3rd gen engine. You won't be able to use a head from other Honda b-series engines (non-3rd gen).

It sounds to me like the timing belt broke, and you bent some valves. Damage is usually limited to the valves, so it's likely that all you need is to rebuild your head or replace it with a new or rebuilt one. A rebuilt head should be $300 or less. I have a new rebuilt head that cost me $235. A used head (from a know running engine) will be significantly less than that. Add a gasket set, timing belt, and a couple hours labor and call it a day. Owning and maintaining a car this old requires either that you have money or know how to do most of the work yourself. I hate to say it but if you have neither then you might want to drive a newer car.
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I am gonna call around and get some more quotes. I called a few shops and this was the only one who would do the job. I've done basic maintenance but nothing that big. I'd rather have it done right rather than get into it and give up/have to sell it.
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Sounds good. Keep in mind that you could probably find a replacement engine (used) for anywhere from $200 up to about $1000, depending where you look. I can find one locally for $140 (30 day warranty) when they have them, but condition is always in question. You'd still need to either install it yourself or pay someone to do that.

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Buffalo NY. I called ten shops. This is the only one that would touch the car bc so old and parts not being available. By all means any one close that wants the job I'll pay someone to do it.
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Hell, I'd do it for dinner and a movie if you were near me. Unless you are the type who talks during movies...I hate that.

Seriously though, it sounds intimidating, but it's not really that hard. The manual pretty much walks you through the process. The main thing is having the confidence to take on the job, and having alternate transportation in case something goes wrong. Of course having some tools is also important.

If they are the only shop in the area, and you don't want to do it yourself, then your only choices are fix it or get rid of it and get another car. You have to decide for yourself if it's worth the money. Ask yourself how much you could sell the car for if the engine was running properly. If the repair is close to that amount then it might be time to say goodbye.
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Car was only $500 so its a wash if I fix it n dump it or end up dumping it as it is
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What kind of shape is it in otherwise? Is there rust, body damage, bad paint? How is the interior? Auto or manual transmission? How are the brakes and suspension? All of this should be considered when making your decision on what to do.
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Brakes and tires are new. Body has minimal surface rust but it could use some body work/paint. Frame is solid. It's too nice to junk.
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If you locate a replacement head, I'm pretty sure we can walk you through it as long as you have a lot of tools and a torque wrench. All depends on how much time you have.
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Where am I gonna get one of those? Already called the scrap yards they got nothing . not one around in the junkyards.
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There's places I can send the head out to around here but that's it.
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Where am I gonna get one of those? Already called the scrap yards they got nothing . not one around in the junkyards.
Try car-part.com if you have no local junkyards with 3rd gens. They range in price from $125 to $500.
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Hurts me to see that trailer... Did that not pinch your exhaust?
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No it didn't pinch anything. It'd a car dolley from uhaul. There is no middle part just a small brace that doesn't touch the car .
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What's with the black areas on the car? Looks like someone's way of trying to cover up rust. Many of those areas are common problem spots for rust on a 3rd gen. If we can see rust the rear quarters, door and rockers in those very low res pics, then the rust is probably worse than you've described it. Looks like more than surface rust. I've been battling rust on my current lude for 8 years, and I'm barely holding my own.
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It's my understanding that molecules of the yellow paint didn't play nice with the metal of the panels.

Where I live, the yellow 3g cars have rust in the darndest places Mike. Around the fuel filler door, along the rocker panels, trunk, fenders, practically anywhere it looks like somebody threw battery acid on the car.
And the ones near the coast?...sheez-awe-mighty! They look like those 80's chevy pickups..
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Hey, go to this website and give these guys a call.

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Under $400 for a remanufactured cylinder head shipped to you, no up front core charge, and that is with all shipping costs included. 3 year warranty on the head.

I shopped around and THAT was the BEST deal I found.
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The rockers are solid with no rust. The spots with black paint have very minimal rust underneath. For some reason the guy who had the car before me spray canned any spot of rust with black paint. Looks horrible I know but it's not a rust bucket. There's all metal behind the quarters and other areas painted black. Car lived in southern Virginia until about two years ago then moved to the north pole, here in buffalo NY.
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Guy at that clear water shop wants the name number of the cylinder head. Anyone have it? He said it starts with a P.
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The rockers are solid with no rust. The spots with black paint have very minimal rust underneath. For some reason the guy who had the car before me spray canned any spot of rust with black paint. Looks horrible I know but it's not a rust bucket. There's all metal behind the quarters and other areas painted black. Car lived in southern Virginia until about two years ago then moved to the north pole, here in buffalo NY.
That may be a car I saw on craigslist once. If so it's one of those that rusted in the darndest places I was speaking of earlier.
It seems there was a chemical reaction of some sort that broke the bond between the paint and the metal, then allowed moisture to collect under the paint...or something along those lines
Not a paint rusted the metal type thing...

Funryd can probably elaborate as if memory serves either he has a yellow one or one of his comrads does...
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Everyone's idea of minimal rust is different. I'll get some closer pics when I get her back from the shop. They are getting me the remanufactured. cylinder head and doing the job for me for less than half the price now. Thanx.
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That P stamp will be on the head, either by the exhaust header, or above the intake





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Here's some more pics of picsthe yellow And my gf changing some fuses in my Crx.
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Damn that trailer !!!!! I swear that thing looks like its gonna slap the bottom of the car silly on the bumps..lol

But if its good its good, just an optical illusion i guess......
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Rust is in now man.Half an hour rust - rat look civic - how to quick rust: https://youtu.be/OSH8CuSVN6M
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Everyone's idea of minimal rust is different. I'll get some closer pics when I get her back from the shop. They are getting me the remanufactured. cylinder head and doing the job for me for less than half the price now. Thanx.
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Guy at that clear water shop wants the name number of the cylinder head. Anyone have it? He said it starts with a P.
Your head P number is PK2. If it's a JDM b20a then it's PK2Y. If you had a b21a1 it would be PK3.

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Funryd can probably elaborate as if memory serves either he has a yellow one or one of his comrads does...
Sean (1funryd) used to have a yellow 88 or 89. I don't remember that he had much rust in that car. I saw it before someone thought they needed to smash in the rear of it on the freeway. Now he has a white 90 or 91.
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Your head P number is PK2. If it's a JDM b20a then it's PK2Y. If you had a b21a1 it would be PK3.



Sean (1funryd) used to have a yellow 88 or 89. I don't remember that he had much rust in that car. I saw it before someone thought they needed to smash in the rear of it on the freeway. Now he has a white 90 or 91.
What would a PK3Y be?

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